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List of Primary (main) and Secondary Sources[edit]

Primary Sources that can be necessary[edit]

The songs composed by P. R. Sarkar from 1982 to 1990 were published in many formats such as cassettes, journals etc. The following ten books comprises simply of the lyrics of these 5018 songs.

  1. প্রভাত সঙ্গীত (প্রথম খণ্ড):Prabhát Sauṋgiit (First Volume): Contains songs from No.1 to No.500.[1]
  2. Prabhát Sauṋgiit (Second Volume): Contains songs from No.501 to No.1000.[2]
  3. Prabhát Sauṋgiit (Third Volume): Contains songs from No.1001 to No.1500.[3]
  4. Prabhát Sauṋgiit (Fourth Volume): Contains songs from No.1501 to No.2000.[4]
  5. Prabhát Sauṋgiit (Fifth Volume): Contains songs from No.2001 to No.2500.[5]
  6. Prabhát Sauṋgiit (Sixth Volume): Contains songs from No.2501 to No.3000.[6]
  7. Prabhát Sauṋgiit (Seventh Volume): Contains songs from No.3001 to No.3500.[7]
  8. Prabhát Sauṋgiit (Eighth Volume): Contains songs from No.3501 to No.4000.[8]
  9. Prabhát Sauṋgiit (Ninth Volume): Contains songs from No.4001 to No.4500.[9]
  10. Prabhát Sauṋgiit (Tenth Volume): Contains songs from No.4501 to No.5018.[10]
  11. Else than the collection of the lyrics, the author wrote a book about Prabhat Samgiita called Saḿgiita: Song, Dance and Instrumental Music, where he analysed many aspects of Samgiita.[11]
  12. And another book co-authored by Sarkar and two other authors analyses Prabhat Samgiita as well.[12]

Secondary Sources[edit]

  1. The newspaper The Hindu, publishes an article about a Prabhat Sangit symposium on 15th of June, 2007. The Hindu goes into the details of the symposium and the cultural programme and indicates that many famous people, such as the Indian classical musician Rashid Khan and journalist and chief-editor Kumar Ketkar have actively participated in it. Kumar Ketkar in his presidential speech spoke at length about the contribution made by Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar towards the uplift of human society. Sanjeev Sabade spoke on the genre of music that has been given the name Prabhat Sangit.[13]
  2. The newspaper The Telegraph (Calcutta) publishes an article about the celebration of Prabhat Sangit anniversary, celebrated the day before.[14]
  3. The Times of India publishes an article on Prabhat Sangeet. This article contains quotes from Sarkar, about his own music, moreover the editor comments as well, analysing the genre. According to The Times of India, Sarkar has distinguished between beauty and Rasa in Prabhat Sangeet. Again, according to the TOI, Sarkar created art combining metre, diction and meaning and Prabhat Sangeet is a precious gift of great potential.[15]
  4. Again, The Hindu publishes another article on a past Prabhat Sangeet cultural show that occured at the Kalabharti centre. It speaks of many notable and famous singers/musicians participating the event.[16]
  5. This time, The Telegraph (Calcutta), in two subsequent publications writes about the upcoming Prabhat Sangeet program where many famous artists will perform, such as Haimanti Sukla.[17] [18]
  6. The Deccan Herald, writes about Prabhat Sangeeth and then a programme that occured last week. About Prabhat Sangeet, it says Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar has composed more than 5,000 compositions in different languages, including Sanskrit, Bengali and Hindi. It is known as ‘Prabhat Sangeet’, which includes different song forms like Ghazal, Thumri, Tappa, Keertan etc. It also says that the famous singer of Kannada, Archana Udupa chose the songs to be sung in the programme.[19]
  7. A researcher of the University of Pune, Ujjwal Jha, publishes a paper about Shri Shri Anandamurti and his works, where he writes also about Prabhat Sangeet (Abbreviation: PS). He calls the PS, a new style of music and he also analyses the review of Subhas Sarkar on PS.[20]
  8. A researcher of the Rabindra Bharati University, Dr. Subhas Sarkar writes a review book about Prabhata Samgiita. Further his book is also quoted and opined in other sources such as the one above. Moreover, here his book is compared to the book Jean-Paul Sartre: The Method and Aspiration of His Philosophy by Arnabi Sen. In the same link, the subject strings are presented as "Ānandamūrti, 1921-1990 Prabhāta saṃgīta, Songs, Bengali--History and criticism. Humanism.". Personally Dr. Subhas Sarkar is not a member of Ananda Marga and is not involved with any of its activities. In his book, he uses a neutral language and does not depend on his own experiences. It makes this book definitely a reliable secondary source, even though it's published by Ananda Marga Publications, probably out of monetary concerns. This book around 2 years after its publication from Kolkata, India, today is readily found in the libraries of the Universities of Berkeley, Iowa, Minnesota, Chicago, Illinois and Michigan.[21]
  9. Book reviewing site Bagchee.com says these about the book of Dr. Subhas Sarkar:[22]
    A deep look at the songs of P.R. Sarkar (the collection of 5018 songs known as Prabhata Samgiita). Dr Sarkar compares these songs to thoughts of Vivekananda, Tagore and Aurobindo and explores the mystical and devotional poetry of the lyrics.
  10. The Hindu publishes this time, a review of a previous event of Prabhat Samgiita, performed at Bangalore.
    Renowned Hindustani classical musician Pandit Parameshwar Hegde (right) and sugama sangeeta singer Archana Udupa sang the Prabhat songs at the programme.
    The review goes on discussing different styles of music with which PSs are composed and sung. These include Bilaval, Shivaranjani, Khamaj and Pilu. Noted Carnatic vocalist R. K. Srikantan is also mentioned in the article.[23]
  11. Another article by The Hindu denotes that Prabhat Samgiita Divas was celebrated and that many famous artists, including award-winning famous Bollywood actor/director Manoj Kumar sang Prabhat Samgiita.[24]
  12. The Hindu discusses Prabhat Samgiita in another article reporting the symposium-cum-cultural evening in Mumbai. According to this article, Padmabhushan Prabha Atrre says "I am surprised to know that Guru Anandamurti has composed 5018 songs within a short span of time". The article further writes that the eminent classical singer Ashwini Bhide-Deshpande has sung four songs at the programme and many other famous musicians and artists, such as Sandeep Kulkarni, performed in it. [25]
  13. Afternoon DC published an event of Prabhat Samhitta at Kishinchand Chellaram College, with many famous artists and with the performances of Bharata Natyam and Kathak dances.[26]
  14. The Statesman has published an article, Driven by devotion, in which it explains four different programmes, one of them being competitions of song, dance and art, all based on Prabhat Samgiita. According to the article;
    Shri Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar, better known as Shrii Shrii Anandamurti-jii, had penned more than five thousand songs and set to tunes. These songs, laden with message of hope, became famous as Prabhat Samgiita that also means songs of a new dawn. ... These competitions were held in three disciplines: vocal, dance and art. All were based on Prabhat Samgiita. The 700 plus competitors who came to finals in Kolkata were the toppers from preliminary competitions that were held at 54 district towns of Bengal, Assam, Tripura and Jharkhand. This area was divided in three zones and four age-groups ranging from below 10 to above 20. In addition to individual competitions, there were competitions in group dance and chorus songs category as well. All these competitions were simultaneously held at 15 different venues...[27]
  15. A featured article by The Times of India covers Prabhat Samgita and Sarkar's motives behind composing these songs.[28]
Work-in-progress: It is not complete yet, I've more sources to add.

References[edit]

  1. ^ Sarkár, Shrii Prabhát Raiṋjan (21/10/2007). Prabhát Sauṋgiit (First Volume) (in Bengali) (Third Edition ed.). Kolkata, India: Ananda Marga Publications. pp. i–xxvi, 1–173. ISBN 81-7252-255-X. {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); |edition= has extra text (help); Check date values in: |accessdate= and |date= (help)
  2. ^ Sarkár, Shrii Prabhát Raiṋjan (21/10/2007). Prabhát Sauṋgiit (Second Volume) (in Bengali) (First Edition ed.). Kolkata, India: Ananda Marga Publications. pp. i–xxiv, 1–169. {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); |edition= has extra text (help); Check date values in: |accessdate= and |date= (help)
  3. ^ Sarkár, Shrii Prabhát Raiṋjan (21/10/1998). Prabhát Sauṋgiit (Third Volume) (in Bengali) (Second Edition ed.). Kolkata, India: Ananda Marga Publications. pp. i–xx, 1–166. ISBN 81-7252-155-3. {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); |edition= has extra text (help); Check date values in: |accessdate= and |date= (help)
  4. ^ Sarkár, Shrii Prabhát Raiṋjan (01/01/1999). Prabhát Sauṋgiit (Fourth Volume) (in Bengali) (Second Edition ed.). Kolkata, India: Ananda Marga Publications. pp. i–xx, 1–168. ISBN 81-7252-160-X. {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); |edition= has extra text (help); Check date values in: |accessdate= and |date= (help)
  5. ^ Sarkár, Shrii Prabhát Raiṋjan (01/01/1999). Prabhát Sauṋgiit (Fifth Volume) (in Bengali) (Second Edition ed.). Kolkata, India: Ananda Marga Publications. pp. i–xviii, 1–166. ISBN 81-7252-161-8. {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); |edition= has extra text (help); Check date values in: |accessdate= and |date= (help)
  6. ^ Sarkár, Shrii Prabhát Raiṋjan (21/10/2001). Prabhát Sauṋgiit (Sixth Volume) (in Bengali) (Second Edition ed.). Kolkata, India: Ananda Marga Publications. pp. i–xxvi, 1–171. ISBN 81-7252-210-X. {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); |edition= has extra text (help); Check date values in: |accessdate= and |date= (help)
  7. ^ Sarkár, Shrii Prabhát Raiṋjan (30/04/2002). Prabhát Sauṋgiit (Seventh Volume) (in Bengali) (Second Edition ed.). Kolkata, India: Ananda Marga Publications. pp. i–xxvi, 1–172. ISBN 81-7252-211-8. {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); |edition= has extra text (help); Check date values in: |accessdate= and |date= (help)
  8. ^ Sarkár, Shrii Prabhát Raiṋjan (30/04/2002). Prabhát Sauṋgiit (Eighth Volume) (in Bengali) (Second Edition ed.). Kolkata, India: Ananda Marga Publications. pp. i–xxvi, 1–180. ISBN 81-7252-212-6. {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); |edition= has extra text (help); Check date values in: |accessdate= and |date= (help)
  9. ^ Sarkár, Shrii Prabhát Raiṋjan (21/10/2002). Prabhát Sauṋgiit (Ninth Volume) (in Bengali) (Second Edition ed.). Kolkata, India: Ananda Marga Publications. pp. i–xxvi, 1–172. ISBN 81-7252-213-4. {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); |edition= has extra text (help); Check date values in: |accessdate= and |date= (help)
  10. ^ Sarkár, Shrii Prabhát Raiṋjan (30/04/2003). Prabhát Sauṋgiit (Tenth Volume) (in Bengali) (Second Edition ed.). Kolkata, India: Ananda Marga Publications. pp. i–xxviii, 1–199. ISBN 81-7252-214-2. {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); |edition= has extra text (help); Check date values in: |accessdate= and |date= (help)
  11. ^ Sarkar, Shrii Prabhat Ranjan (1987). Saḿgiita: Song, Dance and Instrumental Music (1st Edition ed.). Kolkata, India: Ananda Marga Publications. ISBN 81-7252-250-9. {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); |edition= has extra text (help); Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
  12. ^ Sarkár, Prabhát Ranjan (1993). Prabhát saḿgiita = Songs of the new dawn. Kolkata, India: Ananda Marga Publications. ISBN 8172520417. OCLC 621756421. Retrieved 06/02/2013. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  13. ^ "Music and memories". The Hindu. 15/06/2007. Retrieved 1 February 2013. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  14. ^ "Homage to spiritual guru". Calcutta, India: The Telegraph (Calcutta). 20/09/2004. Retrieved 1 February 2013. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  15. ^ "Divine music that evokes blissful experience". The Times of India. 27/09/2009. Retrieved 1 February 2013. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  16. ^ "Metro cultural round-up". The Hindu. 20/09/2004. Retrieved 1 February 2013. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  17. ^ "Timeout". The Telegraph (Calcutta). 25/10/2007. Retrieved 1 February 2013. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  18. ^ "Timeout". The Telegraph (Calcutta). 26/10/2007. Retrieved 5 February 2013. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  19. ^ Subramanya, Mysore V. (17/03/2008). "DANCE/MUSIC REVIEW - Prabhat Sangeeth". Deccan Herald. Retrieved 1 February 2013. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  20. ^ Jha, Ujjawala (20/11/2011). "Shri Shri Anandamurti: A 20th Century Indian Philosopher". Pune, India: Centre of Advanced Study in Sanskrit, University of Pune. p. 2. Retrieved 1 February 2013. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  21. ^ Sarkar, Subhas (31/12/2010). Prabháta Samgiita: A Literary and Philosophical Appreciation (First Edition ed.). Ananda Marga Publications. pp. i–xxix, 1–266. ISBN 978-81-7252-260-5. OCLC 704229361. {{cite book}}: |edition= has extra text (help); Check date values in: |date= (help)
  22. ^ "Prabhata Samgiita: A Literary and Philosophical Appreciation". www.bagchee.com. Retrieved 1 February 2013.
  23. ^ "Friday Review Bangalore - Music for humanity". Bangalore, India: The Hindu. 21/03/2008. Retrieved 5 February 2013. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  24. ^ "Prabhat Samgiita Divas celebrated". New Delhi, India: The Hindu. 15/09/2009. Retrieved 5 February 2013. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  25. ^ "Friday Review Delhi - Songs of dawn". The Hindu. 19/06/2009. Retrieved 5 February 2013. {{cite news}}: |first= missing |last= (help); Check date values in: |date= (help)
  26. ^ "Top cultural icon feted". Afternoon (newspaper). 07/06/2011. Retrieved 5 February 2013. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  27. ^ "Driven by devotion - Meena Banerjee was mesmerised by a few pleasant surprises". The Statesman. 07/10/2011. Retrieved 6 February 2013. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  28. ^ Sarkar, Subhas (12/09/2011). "Songs of a new dawn". The Times of India. Retrieved 6 February 2013. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

I'm adding here all references that I find. Please do not modify above. Write your comments below. --Universal Life (talk) 15:45, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

The Hindu cite reads "The Renaissance Artists and Writers’ Association (RAWA), the cultural wing of the Ananda Marga Pracharak Samgh, organised a symposium on Prabhat Sangit recently." A RAWA-organized performance cannot be used to establish notability. GaramondLethe 17:14, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Times of India piece isn't about much of anything. I think this is really indicative of the problem here: you've having to propose sources that only mention the songs in passing or are a puff piece regarding an Ananda Marga-sponsored performance. Notable music—especially notable Indian music—doesn't have this problem. GaramondLethe 17:19, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They are still not primary. And keep the pessimism to the end, I'm still going to add many more here. And don't forget that while somethings/people/subjects might not be "notable" in the US and Europe & be quite notable in their country of origin. For example, do you know who is Harun Kolçak? --Universal Life (talk) 17:30, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Of course they aren't primary. And no, notability is not country-specific. That's not me talking, that's policy. GaramondLethe 17:43, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than pointing out the same problems over and over again I think I'll let you finish compiling this list and then you can point me to your best cite. GaramondLethe 18:32, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List of sources cited from Abhidevananda (on AfD's talks)[edit]

I collect here all the various sources cited from Abhidevananda on the AfD's talks:

Tanks.--Cornelius383 (talk) 12:30, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi Cornelius, I was going to go through that, now you made my job easier, thank you :)--Universal Life (talk) 18:38, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, thanks Universal Life. Now I've corrected some errors and added another ext. link to the list.--Cornelius383 (talk) 16:35, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most of these are looking very familiar. Which of these sources are independent of Ananda Marga? Which are you using to establish notability? GaramondLethe 16:50, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Independent citation[edit]

I have in hand Sohail Inayatullah's Understanding Sarkar: The Indian Episteme Macrohistory and Transformative Knowledge (Brill, 2002, ISBN 9004121935). There is a single mention of Prabhat Samgiit on page 21: "Until his death on October 21, 1990, Sarkar remained active in Calcutta composing over 1000 songs called Prabhat Samgiit (songs of the new dawn), giving talks on spiritual life, lecturing....". The song count is curious as I believe more exact figures were available earlier. This may also be useful in establishing the use of a spelling variant. GaramondLethe 03:37, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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