Talk:Prem Tinsulanonda

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The link to "Sufficiency Economy" goes to the article on "Localism". This isn't at all the same thing, so I'm removing the reference. SE is more about not incurring debt and acting according to one's economic station as opposed to the stuff on localism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Huanohk (talk • contribs) 19:21, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Since it's a year old undisputed I removed

. Hope that's OK--125.24.150.231 (talk) 17:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now the disputed section seems balanced. Why not remove the NPOV.--125.24.150.231 (talk) 11:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is important to maintain NPOV. Any statements against this person should be balanced with statements expressing the opposite POV to remain neutral.--User:125.24.223.206 12:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

{{POV|date=December 2007}} is placed here because it is one sided - and contridicts publshed reported facts. Example is the bloody photo, there was a caption stating the police attacked the anti-Prem demonstrators. In fact, as reported by all media, it was paid goons, a mob, who attacked the unarmed police. When this fact is corrected, then it is changed back to a lie by someone who is NOT neutral, who has an anti-Monarchy political agenda. Wikipedia is not a playground for politics. It's a neutral encyclopedia, based on published 3rd party references. Please lock this page.--125.24.70.191 05:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Someone is trying to make out that Prem was behind the 2006 coup. Here is a published reference to the contrary:

Government spokesman Yongyuth Mayalap said Gen Prem has categorically denied the UDD's allegations that he was behind the Sept 19 military coup which toppled then prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra. The accusations, Gen Prem said, were repetitive, baseless and provocative, according to the government spokesman.[1]

This was added, but removed by non-neutral persons. So it has been readded. If it gets removed again I suggest you ban the person who removed it for being against NPOV and using Wikipedia to promote political agendy which is not neutral. Editors please take note. Thanks--125.24.70.191 05:24, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You need to practice what you preach... the majority of your edits are in no way NPOV. E.g., this edit, where you insert unsubstantiated claims that the protesters were paid, and were anti-monarchy. Or where you refer to a demonstration as a mob riot. Or where you claim that this "mob" attacked unarmed police, etc. 74.192.150.94 02:32, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, it had been reported widely that the protestors were paid. It was also published that the protestors turned into a mob riot attacking Prem's home and forcing the police to act in self-defense. And even the PM was quoted as saying the protest was anti monarchy, aim at "bringing down the Highest Institution". These were reported in 3rd party published newspapers like The Nation and Bangkok Post, what to speak of Thai News Papers. So the edits you cite were accurate to say the least.--125.24.84.159 21:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ The Bangkok Post PM: UDD aims to damage monarchy, 25 July 2007

Someone in Thailand writing or saying it was anti monarchy means i lie with political intend. It becomes absurd to trust any newspaper or public announcement in this propaganda state.

This article needs an addition to mention the July 2013 announcement from Prem that he has an adoptive son who is a high ranking general in the burmese military. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.245.51.5 (talk) 22:02, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Family Background[edit]

Is there any more information about Prem's life as a child or family background available? What did his parents do for a living? What is his ancestry? Are his ancestors Thai or Chinese? Please add more details about his personal life if possible.180.180.162.93 (talk) 23:28, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

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Of course, most of protesters who believe that Prem was accually behind the coup were pro-ousted premier. In fact, there's no concrete or any clear evidence showing that he was the mastermind of the coup. Truly, those believers argued that he launched campaign among soldiers to overthrow the ex-premier. But in fact, he did not say anything about him. Actually there was apparently known that the ex-premier had attempted to put his circle of friends who were police and soldiers to the higher rank, which led to be strongly criticized. Prem apparently concerned this, (as usual, he is 'traditionally' respected among army personals for years.)

This could make the supporters of the ex-premier to believe that Prem was 'behind the 2006 coup'.

However this should be proved the more concrete evidence.

Last edited at 16:34, 1 November 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 03:21, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Lack of independent sources[edit]

Considering how notable this person is, it strikes me as very odd that only one scholarly source has been used in writing this article. It is problematic that a great deal of this article relies on Thai newspaper articles. In Thai law, criticizing people from the Privy Council is known to lead to persecution under the lèse majesté laws, thus any Thai media located in Thailand will normally be very careful in reporting any negative news that is not quoting another person's opinion. Analyses of more independent scholars should be included.--213.251.116.12 (talk) 15:27, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Acting Monarch? (Regent)[edit]

Two (english language) newspaper sources reported today that Prem Tinsulanonda is currently the acting monarch after the death of Bhumibol Adulyadej. Both sources have since removed their articles, apparently due to fear of legal action rising from Thailand's extremely strict lese majeste laws.

- http://www.khaosodenglish.com/politics/2016/10/14/prem-assumes-regency-thailands-empty-throne/ (removed)

- http://www.bangkokpost.com/archive/prem-becomes-regent-pro-tempore/1110645 (removed)

Khaosod explains the removal of their article:

- http://www.khaosodenglish.com/politics/2016/10/14/note-readers-removal-article-royal-succession/

Tunkki-1970 (talk) 12:30, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I noticed as well. I am trying to find a cached version of the news, but I suspect it was not posted long enough for that.--S Khemadhammo (talk) 12:41, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think there's quite enough going on to warrant a separate article discussing the succession itself. Not sure if it should be combined with what we currently have at Death and funeral of Bhumibol Adulyadej and what the article title should be, though. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:35, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox[edit]

Seeing as Vajiralongkorn's reign has been retroactively declared to have begun on October 13, 2016. I've changed the info, to show that Prem was regent during the first six weeks of the new king's reign. GoodDay (talk) 18:20, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wealth/ Assets[edit]

I found a link to information on Prem's assets in 2014. This link also has a graphic and information plus a link to a Bangkok Post article which came out that year. With Thailand being such a hotbed of corruption and money politics, maybe something about his assets should be noted in the article. [1] https://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordpress.com/2014/10/03/generals-and-their-money/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by NaturalEquality (talk • contribs) 04:29, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Updated: Generals and their money". 2014-10-03.

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Undue weight[edit]

It's not that the political controversies during his later life aren't worth mentioning, but far more should be said about his premiership, during which Thailand was brought out of the Cold War and saw the beginning of an unprecendented economic boom, as well as his relationship with the palace and his role in what some scholars term the "network monarchy". --Paul_012 (talk) 07:00, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Should the article tagged with section stub rather than undue weight? --Wedjet (talk) 18:12, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The section still needs trimming down, though. Details should be covered in the coup article, not here. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:18, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Homosexuality / Religion[edit]

It does not list that he was homosexual yet many Thais believe this to be true. Is there any information on this? Why does the article say "Prem was single and once declared himself to be "married" to the army" in a suggestive way by quoting married? Another controversy is what was his actual religion? Was he Muslim? Some believe so. If anyone has any details on these two topics please improve this article. 118.174.194.4 (talk) 12:11, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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