Talk:President of the Church (LDS Church)

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Move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was not moved. This discussion was largely redundant to the one at Talk:President of the Church#Page move, which there was consensus against. Future attempts at this issue should be multi-moves or discussed at a more centralized location, such as Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Latter Day Saints). --BDD (talk) 17:43, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

President of the Church (LDS Church) → President of the Church – The WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "President of the Church" is that of the LDS Church President, not the broader Latter Day Saint movement. Secondary sources and the reality that the LDS Church accounts for over 98% of the Latter Day Saint movement point to this being the primary topic with the current article President of the Church under proposal to be moved to President of the Church (Latter Day Saint movement). JonRidinger (talk) 18:24, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment this is a malformatted multimove, someone please fix it. -- 65.94.77.36 (talk) 21:35, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as proposed instead "resident of the Church" should become a dismabiguation page. LDS isn't the only church with presidents. -- 65.94.77.36 (talk) 21:35, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As of now "President of the Church" goes to an article which addresses the usage of the term in the overall Latter Day Saint movement. While the LDS Church is hardly the only church with a president, within the Latter Day Saint movement, it is easily the largest (the LDS Church accounts for over 98% of the total Latter Day Saint movement membership) and as such is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the term. Primary topic doesn't mean it's the only topic, it means it's the most widely used. A similar example is the article Cleveland being on the city in Ohio even though there are many cities called Cleveland. See Talk:President of the Church#Page move. --JonRidinger (talk) 23:21, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As most of the discussion is taking place at Talk:President of the Church, I'd suggest that we close the proposal found here here as a duplicate. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 21:26, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Incorrect statement re the history of succession policy[edit]

The article states "The President of the Quorum of the Twelve becomes the highest-ranking official in the church, and has always become the next church president" (emphasis added). This was not true prior to 1900 when the rule was changed.

In that year, President Lorenzo Snow changed the rule to prevent John Young from succeeding him. Young had never been a member of the Quorum of the Twelve so adding the Quorum requirement prevented Young's assuming the office. See Wikipedia on Snow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:3E0B:BA00:B01B:B25A:CC18:C342 (talk) 19:13, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The means of achieving the result changed, as you note, but it is still true that the President of the Quorum of the Twelve has always become the next church president. There are no cases when the succeeding President of the Church was not the President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles at the time they were chosen to the next President of the Church. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:30, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Title capitalization[edit]

The title of this article, along with a provision at MOS:LDS, violates MOS:THEINST, a site-wide guideline which trumps WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Please participate in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Latter Day Saints § Capitalization issue. Thanks. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:12, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]