Talk:Pyramid of Sahure/GA1

GA Review (September 2012, closed)

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Reviewer: MathewTownsend (talk · contribs) 17:11, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

• I will review in a few days. Looks very interesting. MathewTownsend (talk) 17:11, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

These images have no clear statement that the author has given permission for his images to be freely used - just a green warning message.

:*File:SahurePyramid.jpg

• File:Temple-sahoure-borchardt.jpg - nominated for deletion

:*File:SahurePyramid.jpg

• File:Abousir-borchardt.jpg - nominated for deletion

:*File:Sahure-Pyramid - Temple 05.jpg :*File:Sahure-Pyramid - Temple 04.jpg :*File:Sahure-Pyramid - Temple 02.jpg

Could the editor respond to this issue? MathewTownsend (talk) 21:48, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

• Four of the six look fine. I suggest, however, speedily failing this nomination owing to the poor referencing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:42, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

• Comment: I confirm that all images uploaded from Egypt Archive were licensed as copyright free by Jon Bodsworth. The license template was created by Admin MGA73 from Denmark on Wikimedia Commons here who saw the images license...before they went offline. If they were not free, he would never have created the template in the first place. I merely typed in Jon Bodsworth's precise words as to the license of his images on the license template when Admin MGA73 created the template. I am a trusted user here on Wikimedia Commons and I assure you that the Egypt Archive images were uploaded on a copyright free license before March 2011 when the website went offline (although I was able to use Internet wayback to access the license page at the time). If they were not free, I would not have uploaded this image or this image at all in 2008. Bodsworth's web site was online until early 2011; in mid-2008, I asked if he had some pictures of the tombs of some Dynasty 22 kings--and he said yes and agreed to upload these images on his web site which he licensed on a copyright free license. If they were unfree, 1. I would never have uploaded them to WikiCommons and 2. no one would have voted to make me a 'trusted user' on Wikimedia Commons where my main task is to pass or fail images from flickr/panoramio/picasa, etc based on their exact image license at the time of upload. PS: As for the other non-Egypt archive images, I have no idea about their copyright status. Sorry. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 05:11, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
• If you wish to fail this nomination, I don't have any comment as I have no involvement in creating this topic. I was just discussing the copyright status of the Egypt Archive images. Best Regards from Western Canada, --Leoboudv (talk) 05:43, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for the comments. We've sorted those out already though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:27, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Hello sorry for the delay, I have a very limited internet access until the 19th of September. I will be happy to implement all required changes at that time ! Thank you ! Iry-Hor (talk) 12:18, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

reply

ok, do you know the source for the two images that are up for deletion? MathewTownsend (talk) 18:42, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

The reconstructions by Borchardt dates back to 1910 and is thus more than 100 years old. The images are from his excavation report cited in the article and available online freely in german (link in article). I do not know who uploaded the images to wiki commons but I really do not see how they could pose a copyright problem. Iry-Hor (talk) 11:07, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

however, they have been deleted. MathewTownsend (talk) 13:11, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

suggestions

• What makes this a reliable source? Who is the author? (By Jimmy Dunn Wrting as Alan Winston) Y Nah you're right, I removed this reference and put instead the original excavation reports. Iry-Hor (talk) 18:02, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

• " owing mainly to its ruined aspect." - due mainly to its state of ruin? Y Changed sentence as advocated by the reviewer. Iry-Hor (talk) 17:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

• "as well as a group of palmiform columns, which he divided between Egypt and Germany." - not clear what this means. Why Germany and how did this affect the pyramind ruins? How was it determined what the "German part" was? Y I have made the sentence clearer. Borchardt send part of his discoveries to Germany while some stayed in Egypt. I have no idea how he chose what would stay in Egypt and what to send in Germany. The "why" however is clear: Borchardt was German and at the time of his excavations, it was expected that an archaelogist would send the best pieces back to his home country. Iry-Hor (talk) 17:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

• "In 1994 the pyramid of Sahure was the object of restoration works in prevision of the opening of Abusir to tourists" - what is "prevision of the opening"? Y Replaced by "in preparation of the opening". The site of Abusir was (still is in fact) closed to tourists and in 1994 there was plans to open it to tourists (so tourists could visit the various sites there). Some works were required before doing so. During these works the blocs were discovered. Iry-Hor (talk) 17:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

• "Surprisingly, these works yielded large" - why "surprisingly" Y This was surprising because everybody at the time thought Borchardt had well excavated the area. This opinion was prevalent following Vito Maragioglio and Celeste Rinaldi's work in the early 1960s which yielded no fundamentally new results, as stated in the article (also see references). Thus when work started in 1994, it was only to be restoration work and setting up public facilities rather than archaeologic excavations. Hence the surprise. Iry-Hor (talk) 17:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

• who investigated these large blocks? Y Zahi Hawass, see references [2][3] and [4] for all the details. Iry-Hor (talk) 18:02, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

• I don't thing "Situation" is a good heading. Y I have changed it to "Location". Iry-Hor (talk) 17:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

• "Sahure left the heavily built necropolis of Saqqara and instead chose the site of Abusir for the construction of his mortuary complex" - he left? so he was living there? Y I changed the sentence, he definitely did not live in Saqqara... Iry-Hor (talk) 17:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

i'll fail this article as two of the images have been deleted and the editor is away. please feel free to renominate it. Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 00:35, 18 September 2012 (UTC)