Talk:Quaker Hill, Connecticut

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The sources this article uses needs to be cited. I disagree with the content.

Founders of Quaker Hill

Yes, Quaker Hill was founded by religious dissidents, but if by "catholics" one means "Roman Catholics", the facts here are wrong. The Rogerenes, or "Quaker Baptists", made it their business to be a pain in every church's neck. See Descendants of James Rogers for a much more accurate - though not definitive - account.

Founded by Rogers

Went to the website, put it in the article. There is a citation at the end that redirects you to the website now. Also there is a picture of the Thames River, a river that is located in Quaker Hill. The picture is of the New London end though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.159.176.57 (talk) 19:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC).

This article must change its template

This article is a village but utilize the {{template:infobox city}}. Can you please make another template for villages and stop using the city template. Thank you!

Redirect/split discussion

This article contains information relating to the Quaker Hill Historic District, presently a redirect to this article. Please comment in the discussion section below, concerning the desirability of the combination and whether the matter should be closed. Comments should address issues relating to the merge or split of the articles and are not meant to be a debate at this phase. If direct discussion is required, it will follow in a separate section. Acroterion _(talk) 14:07, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Comments

May i now create an article at the NRHP HD name, Quaker Hill Historic District (Waterford, Connecticut), in order to develop what is knowable about the NRHP HD. Note i am now creating disambiguation page at Quaker Hill Historic District which is needed no matter what. Further, I would probably like to create an alternate version of the Quaker Hill article, meant to be complementary to the new Quaker Hill Historic District (Waterford, Connecticut) article, at Talk:Quaker Hill/alternative, so that the pair of articles could be compared to the existing Quaker Hill article. I assume there may now be some development of the existing Quaker Hill article, as well. It is fine by me if others might want to copy new material from the separate new NRHP HD article into the Quaker Hill article, or otherwise develop the Quaker Hill article, but I request some space in order to create the NRHP HD alternative. doncram (talk) 16:14, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Separate NRHP HD article There are no inline citations in the article besides the NRIS footnote, and no source addressing relationship of NRHP HD to the neighborhood. Per many other NRHP HD cases, I guesstimate that the NRHP HD is significantly different than the neighborhood. It would be unsupportable in mainspace to say that they are the same, or to attempt to describe their relationship. So, there's no basis to ban the NRHP HD article from being created at the NRHP HD name. I note that no argument for banning the NRHP HD article has been provided. doncram (talk) 01:16, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I am refraining from starting a separate NRHP HD article, which is the topic of this "discussion" in which no one else has commented. However, I am editing this Quaker Hill article itself to avoid the false claim that "Quaker Hill is a village and a historic district." In fact, Quaker Hill Historic District is a historic district, but Quaker Hill is not. I don't know if Quaker Hill is a village or neighborhood or what (note there are no sources whatsoever supporting even that), but I will leave claims along those lines untouched. doncram (talk) 18:21, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I see that Polaron re-added the NRHP infobox to the article, although he did not restore the false claim in the text. I won't edit war about deleting or adding the NRHP infobox now. But, I think it detracts from the article, and it should not be kept unless the relationship of the NRHP HD to Quaker Hill the village or neighborhood or whatever can be explained. doncram (talk) 18:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I've removed other material, but the infobox is gone and i think it was not me who removed it. I've just started Quaker Hill Historic District (Waterford, Connecticut) to hold it. Hopefully that is okay, at least for discussion purposes. If the outcome of the merger/split decision is to merge, then that can be redirected. doncram (talk) 18:05, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Given the dearth of information about the HD, I think it's premature to start an article about it. However, when there is information to base an article on, it probably ought to be a separate article. The Quaker Hill section of Waterford is much larger than than the HD, and the area's history is not likely to be the primary topic of the Quaker Hill article. --Orlady (talk) 23:43, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

unsourced material removed from article

I just removed the following passage from the article for discussion here. Perhaps some material could be restored to the article, if sources can be found, but the passage is currently unsupported.

Quaker Hill can be roughly defined by the mail delivery area that is comprised by the United States Postal Service zip code delivery area of 06375.[1] It may also be defined as the area served by the Quaker Hill Elementary School or by the Quaker Hill Fire Company, Incorporated, as persons who live within the 06375 zip code but whose children attend other elementary schools do not always consider themselves residents of Quaker Hill. Quaker Hill lies at approximately Latitude 41.40 north and Longitude 72.11 west. The village is primarily residential with the center of the village being roughly the intersection of the Old Norwich Road and the Old Colchester Road. This intersection was made famous by the "House in the Middle of the Road," a house that stood in the middle of the intersection with no significant yard. This house was burned by the Quaker Hill Fire Company as a training exercise and its former site is now the Quaker Hill Village Green. The other significant feature of Quaker Hill is Smith Cove, a brackish cove which is navigable by small boats as far as the Old Norwich Road bridge. This cove empties into the Thames River directly opposite the Naval Submarine Base New London in Groton. The village center is listed on the National Register of Historic Places as a historic district. The historic district is the area around Old Norwich Road, extending as far south as the village of Thames View and as far north as Route 32.

Also as written some of it seems speculative and non-encyclopedic, such as a claim that "Quaker Hill can be defined" in a certain way. Who if anyone does define it that way? doncram (talk) 20:15, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Which items specifically do you think is false and not merely unsourced but likely true? --Polaron | Talk 20:28, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what is likely true or not, although certainly the claims that Quaker Hill "may be defined" in a certain way are inappropriate as written, as obviously being speculation. Also, it seems unlikely that a cove is in a hill. If Quaker Hill in fact refers to a hill, then the cove cannot be in it. If Quaker Hill is in fact a village, it is quite possible that it could be bordered by a cove. But whether a village includes a cove that it borders is a further assertion that I don't know is true or not. Are there legal boundaries of the village? But it is wikipedia policy, anyhow, that unsourced material can be challenged and removed. I challenge all of this, including even the mention of the NRHP HD, which is inappropriate to mention if its relationship to "Quaker Hill" cannot be explained. Please do try to explain a relationship if you know of one, here, and please state your sources. doncram (talk) 20:40, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Those are merely various things that are known as "Quaker Hill". The ZIP code boundaries can easily be sourced. The school neighborhood zone can be sourced. The fire district boundaries can be sourced. The only thing that I think is speculation is "as persons who live within the 06375 zip code but whose children attend other elementary schools do not always consider themselves residents of Quaker Hill". As you know, a village in Connecticut has no legal boundary other than a possible fire district in some cases. There is in fact a hill within Quaker Hill but I don't know what it's name is. It's located east of Route 32 and north of Smith Cove. But this article is about Quaker Hill the village. The original village is the area around the cove. Whether the cove itself is part of the village or nor is immaterial as no one lives within the cove. The modern main road of the village does cross the cove. This topic has several books written about it so I'm not sure why you think saying Quaker Hill is a village is speculation. The historic district description is merely the one from the NRIS database, with some added information from road atlases. What else? --Polaron | Talk 20:51, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I removed much of same unsourced and possibly irrelevant/non-encyclopedic material from the article again. Polaron, it is wikipedia policy that unsourced material can be challenged and removed. You can't just put it back in with citation needed tags. And in particular you can't put in a whole lot of unsourced assertions with just one "citation needed" tag at the end of the paragraph, which seems to convey that there is one late fact in the paragraph which needs some support. doncram (talk) 23:44, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

elementary school

I removed the following from the article. It seems irrelevant to me, as elementary schools are relatively unimportant in general and news-like details of construction of a new one seem non-encyclopedic.

Quaker Hill Elementary School, located at 118 Old Norwich Road, is currently under construction. Quaker Hill School was built in 1915, and opened in 1917. It was fully demolished on February 23, 2007. The current plan is to put a replica of the building in its place. The building was under construction but is now open to the public and students from Quaker Hill and Cohanzie will be going to the school end of August 2008.

The construction has been mentioned in committee meeting notes available on-line.

Please discuss any possible restoration, here. doncram (talk) 23:36, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I believe you are misconstruing the "consensus" on elementary schools (which is admittedly not well documented, but is pretty consistently applied at AfD). With rare exceptions, they are not deemed to be sufficiently notable to have their own stand-alone articles, it is entirely acceptable (and indeed encouraged) to include content about these schools in broader articles about school districts and localities. I'm restoring this content to the article. --Orlady (talk) 20:31, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

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