Talk:Rānui Ngārimu

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Great article! I have created a redirect for the cloak - but I think it really needs its own article. Victuallers (talk) 10:34, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Joofjoof (talk) 07:59, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

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Rānui Ngārimu ONZM

• ... that Rānui Ngārimu (pictured) helped weave Te Māhutonga (the Southern Cross), the Māori cloak worn by the flag bearer of the New Zealand Olympic team? Source: Kahutoi Te Kanawa, 'Te raranga me te whatu - Kākahu – woven cloaks', Te Ara - the Encyclopedia of New Zealand, http://www.TeAra.govt.nz/en/te-raranga-me-te-whatu/page-2 (accessed 7 January 2021)
  • ALT1:... that Rānui Ngārimu (pictured) is a member of a team researching Te Rā, the last known Māori sail? Source:Workman, Matiu (Spring 2018). "Setting sail for Te Rā". University of Otago Magazine. 47: 24–26. https://www.otago.ac.nz/otagomagazine/issue47/features/otago696382.html

• Comment: This article was created and expanded in preparation for and during a Māori women weavers editathon held in Aotearoa New Zealand on the 7th of January 2021 to address gaps in both English Wikipedia and Wikidata. See Wikipedia:Meetup/Wellington/Māori_Women_Weavers_Editathon

Created by Ambrosia10 (talk). Self-nominated at 06:02, 7 January 2021 (UTC).

• I shall review this. Schwede66 03:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
• I've done a few tweaks and left further suggestions on the article's talk page (the latter not impacting on the DYK process). I suggest that the section "Biography" needs some copy editing to use prose more independent from the Ngāi Tahu source (e.g. "establishing a Greymouth centre for adult education" instead of "establishing an Adult Learning Centre in Greymouth"; see here). Otherwise within policy; new article; plenty long enough; nicely referenced. If I see this right, this is the fifth DYK nomination so a QPQ is not required this time, but will be for the next one. With regards to the hooks, I find ALT0 much more interesting than ALT1. That said, I was left wondering since when has the cloak been worn at the Olympics? The target article does not give the answer, but this one does: 2004 Summer Olympics. Can I suggest that this be added to the article and the year be included in an ALT2? Furthermore, I find the image of the cloak more interesting than the portrait of the person. Hook facts check out. So here's ALT2, for which the article needs to be amended: Schwede66 04:35, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Te Māhutonga

• ALT2:... that Rānui Ngārimu helped weave Te Māhutonga – the Southern Cross (pictured), the Māori cloak worn by the flag bearer of the New Zealand Olympic team since 2004?

• I've made several of the edits as suggested by User:Schwede66 including most of those suggested on the article talk page as well as the suggestion above. As regards the photo for the DYK image, the reason I undertook organising this editathon and the writing of this article was to bring attention to the women weavers themselves, not just their work. I'd be very grateful if the image of Rānui Ngārimu was used. But of course that is completely up to the administrators. I'm very grateful that this article is being considered for a DKY. Ambrosia10 (talk) 08:03, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

• Excellent. Thank you. Of course we'll feature the person rather than her work if that is your preference (should this article be chosen for the lead hook, which, due to its quality, I would recommend). I've struck the other hooks for clarity. All good to go. Regarding the picture rule ("Check that the image appears in the article"), I assume that a crop of a picture used in the article is fine. Schwede66 05:30, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

• ALT3:... that Rānui Ngārimu (pictured) helped weave Te Māhutonga (the Southern Cross), the Māori cloak worn by the flag bearer of the New Zealand Olympic team since 2004?

Schwede66, I've edited to profile picture to the cropped image of her more formal portrait where she was receiving her New Years honour. I think this is likely the best image to use for the dyk (in my opinion) as it is licensed under a CC BY license by Government House. I'm unsure of the copyright status of the cloak image as that had been previously uploaded by another user.- Ambrosia10 (talk) 21:01, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

• Hence the (cropped) image is now in use in the article. Thanks. Schwede66 03:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

suggested article improvements

• As explained in Template:Cite Q, the most common issue is that author names need tweaking so that the common "last, first" style is achieved. Currently, there's a mix between "first last" and "last, first" used in the various references, which isn't pretty (or MOS-compliant).
• Is it deliberate that her husband's surname does not have a macron?
• I learn from the List of flag bearers for New Zealand at the Olympics article that the cloak has been worn since the 2004 Summer Olympics; that would seem to be a relevant detail that ought to be stated in this article, too. And added to the DYK hook.
• Replace "She is currently..." with "As of yyyy, she is ..." as this is a statement that ages.

That's all. Good work! Schwede66 03:49, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your very helpful feedback. I've adding the missing macro to her husband's surname, added the information on the date from which the cloak has been worn at the olympics with a supporting citation, and added the "As of" edit as suggested. As regards the CiteQ template, I used it for ease and intend leave the tweeking of the same to others who may wish to prioritise that issue. Thanks again for all your help as it is very much appreciated. - Ambrosia10 (talk) 06:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Macron use

There are reliable sources that spell her name with macrons, and plenty that don't. An IP editor just removed all the macrons from her name in the article, based on a 2015 reference in Te Karaka, which you would think would have this sorted. Usually missing macrons would just be an omission by the publisher. Do we have a policy for a subject that seems not to use, or historically has preferred not to spell their name, with macrons? An example would be Rangi Mātāmua, whose name almost always appears without macrons, even on his own book's cover, except for here: https://www.teaomaori.news/dr-rangi-matamua-hopes-revive-maori-astronomy. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 23:06, 16 November 2021 (UTC)