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Reviewer: Kingsif (talk · contribs) 00:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)


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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
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  • PD logo and fair use image of artwork in question
Could you point out specifically what’s wrong with them? I am not overly familiar with fair use laws, but they seem fine to me. WackyWikiWoo (talk) 03:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
There's nothing wrong with them. This is a comment that says that... Kingsif (talk) 05:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, I misinterpreted- thought “in question” meant “in doubt”. WackyWikiWoo (talk) 08:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Well written throughout
  • I would change the heading 'Overview' to 'Experiment'
 Done WackyWikiWoo (talk) 03:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
  • "colourful" in wiki voice is in British English - is there a reason for this?
 Fixed WackyWikiWoo (talk) 03:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Expand "FEE" to "Foundation for Economic Education"
 Done WackyWikiWoo (talk) 03:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Is the FEE quotation directly lifted, because I think the verb "characterize" should actually be "characterizes"? This is a simple fix
This was directly lifted- the source used “characterize”. I’ve modified the quotation to include the s using square brackets. WackyWikiWoo (talk) 03:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Talk page and history look clear enough
  • Is IB Times (currently [5]) a reliable source for the list (and is it needed, since there's a bunch of other sources for this part?)
minus Removed WackyWikiWoo (talk) 03:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
  • The lead might be a bit long, and I'd move the canvas dimensions and date down into the experiment overview section. Maybe some other stuff could also be moved into the body, giving a better balance?
I’ve moved the dimensions down, but I think cutting the lead anymore will hinder its purpose to summarise the article’s main points. WackyWikiWoo (talk) 03:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Overall

  • on hold A few things, mostly minor clean-up. Kingsif (talk) 00:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

No link to final version?

There seems to be no link to the final version of Place (the infobox image is for some weird reason not at full resolution, even though there doesn't appear to be a copyright restriction), nor to a timelapse of its evolution. Those seem like big gaps, and give me some doubts (compounded by the very short length and only 16 references) about whether the GA status is deserved. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 07:08, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

There's no link because the final Place was taken down by Reddit afterwards. It doesn't exist anymore. The best we can manage is a screenshot someone took at the end. I'm sure there are also timelapse videos out there, if someone felt it worth adding to the article. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 17:20, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Agreed, I don't think that GA is deserved, it is probably b or c class MrMeAndMrMeLet's talk 03:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

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Proposed move

I think this would be better moving to /r/place as that is the actual name – Nixinova ⟨T|C⟩ 20:03, 10 August 2017 (UTC)


I AGREE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.127.206.63 (talk) 18:59, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

I reiterate my comment from 5 years ago.  Nixinova   T   C   23:27, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

100% agree. SWinxy (talk) 03:58, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2022 (2)

I would like to add events that happened during this that were left out from the article. There were several events that happened that I want to add to the article that weren't included. Zain745 (talk) 14:34, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 17:02, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Mentioning the canvas resize and extended color palette

Re: User:MrMeAndMrMe's revision,

I agree that there are no reliable sources for this at the moment, I also tried to find one but failed; the only sources I see are the announcement posts (this and this) made by the moderators of r/place, though I admit don't really count as reliable sources either.

I also agree with your decision of removing from the article the events related to r/place 2022 since those are largely uncited and might be subjective. But I think we should at least mention that the canvas has been resized from the old 1000x1000 to 2000x2000. It's a pretty major change to not include in the article, and it is evident if one looks at r/place right now to see that the canvas is much larger than before. It's also made the article inconsistent since it now includes outdated information; the canvas is no longer 1000x1000 and color palette has more than 16 colors now, we even have an image in the article that shows the new 24-color palette.

The only solution I could think of right now is waiting until the event ends and see if new reliable sources pop up to mention this, but I wonder if there are any better solutions to this. I'd like to suggest at least mentioning the canvas resize and extended color palette then adding [citation needed] tag for now so that in the future, people could fill it in with a reliable source when it comes out. —LightbulbMEOW (talk) 05:18, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

I'd prefer a {{cn}} (or nothing at all) and not worry about it. However, it is policy that the burden is on you to demonstrate verifiability (WP:PROVEIT), so no. Wait until a source mentions it. SWinxy (talk) 05:39, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Okay, I understand. Thanks for letting me know. I guess we can wait until then. LightbulbMEOW (talk) 06:55, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Winding down

r/Place is closing up, and is doing so by changing the only possible color placement to white.

Redoct87 (talk) 23:17, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2022

Replace "has ended" near the bottom of the page with "ended on April 4, 2022". 172.112.210.32 (talk) 00:21, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

You may also want to replace "is currently ongoing" as well. 172.112.210.32 (talk) 00:23, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 Done —lightbulbMEOW!!! (meow) 02:29, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

More up to date final image

The image displayed for 2022 r/place was not directly before the event ended. As listed in this reddit thread, https://www.reddit.com/r/place/comments/twl21s/final_rplace_canvas/, rplace.space stored many snapshots, including 1649112455 ( https://rplace.space/combined/1649112455.png ) which was closer to the end of r/place than the current listed screenshot. As such, unless even closer images can be found, this would be a good replacement. 68.96.68.141 (talk) 06:29, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done. The image has been replaced by newer one. —lightbulbMEOW!!! (meow) 07:11, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Adding non-copyright restriction templates?

With images that have this much content, it's bound to have some legal restrictions (Trademarks, flags, insignias, Communist symbols, symbols of dissent, etc). Is it even worth adding all of them? lol1VNIO (talk • contribs) 14:34, 5 April 2022 (UTC); Edited 14:36, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

We are WP:NOTCENSORED, as well as using these images in fair use and de minimis. I don't see we have any problem here. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:20, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Does fact that u/Chtorrr placed pixels ignoring time limit of 5 minutes per pixel relevant for this article?

[Proof](https://www.reddit.com/r/place/comments/tv2lb6/mod_caught_cheating_previous_thread_locked_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) 109.245.35.63 (talk) 08:08, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Interesting, but seemingly not worth mentioning (see WP:DUE), even if it was published in a reliable source. SWinxy (talk) 08:21, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
No, unless it makes significant headlines. Reddit itself is not a reliable platform for fact-reporting. Admanny (talk) 09:15, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
@Admanny: It just needs to be WP:DUE. The fact that moderators bypassed time restrictions to place color tiles would be relevant and due to provide some context to the claim that Place is a community collaboration. But currently there are no reliable sources for the claim of moderators bypassing time restrictions, beyond instances of blacking out specific sections. "Significant headlines" are only a requirement for creating new articles. See WP:NNC. --Elephanthunter (talk) 18:02, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Low resolution final images

Why are the final images presented in such low resolution? Higher resolution versions are available here for the 2017 version https://www.reddit.com/r/place/comments/6386cf/high_resolution_image_of_final_rplace_image/ and here for the 2022 version https://www.reddit.com/r/place/comments/tx5grt/32k_version_of_final_canvas_before_whiteout/ I'd upload and replace with these versions myself, but I'm not sure if there's a good reason why such poor quality images are being used at the moment. K3fka (talk) 18:59, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

This is because the image contains copyrighted material and is therefore non-free. The image resolution needs to be reduced to comply with fair use, per WP:IMAGERES. —lightbulbMEOW!!! (meow) 11:57, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Mashable as a WP:RSP source

@CollectiveSolidarity: I'm not sure if you are right about removing Mashable. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_334#Mashable/ Here's the WP:RSP consensus about it:

The overall consensus was that while non-sponsored content is generally fine, Mashable tends towards less formal writing and is geared at a particular niche (tech news and pop culture). As such, non-sponsored content should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, especially if the subject matter is outside of Mashable's usual focus. Extra attention needs to be paid when it comes to sponsored content, especially ensuring that the content was written by Mashable staff and not the sponsor themselves

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Reddit and r/place falls in the "tech news and pop culture" part, so I imagine it's fine to allow them as a source in this article. Let me know what you think. Tetizeraz - (talk page) 07:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Yeah sure it could work. But I'd prefer more professional tech magazines for a GA, such as Ars Technica, The Verge, and Gizmodo because there is consensus at WP:RSP that they are generally reliable for tech/pop culture and have a more formal writing style. I'd try to use Mashable if there was no other good source, because it often reads like a blog. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 13:14, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Missing colours in r/place's 2022 colour palette

The article shows 24 colours for the colour palette of r/place's 2022 edition whereas it in fact had 32 colours at the end (and 16 at the beginning). This 24 colour palette corresponds to Day 2 of the experiment, when the canvas' size was 2000*1000. On the first day, only 16 colours were available, and on the 3rd day 8 new colours were added to the 24 already present, as shown in this picture : youtube link [1]

Another proof in directly by looking at the canvas, in which we can see some colours that are not present in the 24 ones given in the article. For example the flesh-tone colour that can be seen on the LUL face (975, 1235) is missing : https://www.reddit.com/r/place/ [2]
Nethos MS (talk) 14:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done by User:Paintspot. lol1VNIO (talk • contribs) 16:18, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Why not use these SVGs I made over the weekend? They were removed for some reason (too many photos?). SWinxy (talk) 02:20, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Yes, as stated in revision 1081142195. lol1VNIO (talk • contribs) 16:21, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
    • Okay, a recent revision removed the colors from day 1 and 2 in favor of better page performance? Are those extra color boxes really going to cause bad performance? If it really causes a performance problem, then maybe there should be 1 image showing all 3 days. Another idea is that day 1 and 2 can be in hidden spoiler boxes. I'm having trouble logging in so I can't make any edits myself.--2603:8000:6A00:5E57:F498:433C:E706:D582 (talk) 17:55, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

    References

    1. ^ https://youtube.com/_4oJavFm3UU?t=230
    2. ^ https://www.reddit.com/r/place/?cx=975&cy=1235&px=16&ts=1649112460185

    Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2022 (2)

    Change : "The French community was particularly dominant, also making strong use of Twitch to coordinate pixel placement, although it was alleged they were botting, with many of the pixels placed on their territory being brand-new accounts with similarly formatted names (many of which being in English, not French).[23]"

    To : "The French community was particularly dominant, also making strong use of Twitch community to coordinate pixel placement, using browser's extension layer to help putting right pixel color at right place. They were attacked by Spanish and American during entire /r/place event pushing them to organize by 4 community's wave to re-build their creations as we can see on all timelapses."

    Comment : Nothing can prove they were botting, they just used a layer to help but nothing illegal. English name are auto-named account when you create it fast on reedit. To conclude, they were just defending their square they got since start on the bottom left, against multiple countries. They began by not understanding the purpose of /r/place, but they changed the second day doing nice creation in their square... Not like spanish and american twitch communities that were just attacking to attack... Emoc11 (talk) 09:19, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

    Comment : French don't use reddit that much (one of the reasons could be our poor english's lvl) so a lot of people had to create a new account to participate, and new account get an automatic name with two english words and a random number — Preceding unsigned comment added by Little-kinder (talk • contribs) 09:56, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

    We were not botting, the TwitchFR community is very big ! More than 220 000 on one stream and more than 50 streamers ! So a really biiiig community ! So please change this page and stop saying that we were botting ! 2A04:CEC0:11AF:1196:2C39:B3A7:D7:35FE (talk) 12:21, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

    Since this was a controversial statement with a bad source I removed it. Skyshifter talk 12:36, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

     Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:29, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

    Requested move 10 April 2022

    The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) NW1223 <Howl at me•My hunts> 15:26, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

    Place (Reddit) → R/place – r/place is a way more popular search term than "Reddit place", "Place Reddit" and "Place (Reddit)" all combined. Most other articles about subreddits follow the "r/[subreddit]" convention. "r/Place" is also sometimes used,[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] but officially it is lowercase.[9] lol1VNIO[not Lol1VNIO] (talk • contribs) 14:17, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

    References

    1. ^ Reddit admin
    2. ^ Reddit's YouTube channel
    3. ^ The Verge
    4. ^ WaPo
    5. ^ Esquire
    6. ^ Fast Company
    7. ^ Numerama
    8. ^ Time Out Hong Kong
    9. ^ Subreddit title
    • Oppose - r/place already redirects here. No move is needed as this is the experiment and not the aforementioned subreddit featured around the experiment. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 15:07, 10 April 2022 (UTC) Support per everyone else' considerations. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 00:45, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
    • Oppose, the article is about the social experiment rather than the subreddit itself. See also The Button (Reddit). 162 etc. (talk) 16:52, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
    • Oppose per 162 etc. Jeuno (talk) (contribs) 11:16, 11 April 2022 (UTC) Support per WP:COMMONNAME, pretty sure nowhere else on the internet has ever called r/place “Place (Reddit)” or “Place” other than Wikipedia, as proven by the references. Jeuno (talk) (contribs) 23:24, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
    • Support as per WP:COMMONNAME, r/Place or r/place seem recognizable and abide by Wikipedia policy on the matter but just "Place" or "Place (Reddit) does not make sense. Yes, the article is referring to the social experiment and not the subreddit itself, but that social experiment is known in popular culture as well as to the news media and sourcelist as being named "r/place", not "Place" HolmKønøman (talk) 20:34, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
    The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

     Done Dr. Vogel (talk) 16:54, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

    Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2022

    You should mention the reddit admin cheating with pixel-placing cooldowns in this. 2A02:810B:C63F:D158:2041:3663:9F0E:6C33 (talk) 10:15, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

     Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Ferien (talk) 13:12, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
     Not done: See the section above. 207.81.187.41 (talk) 14:51, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
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