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Ref #1

Doug Coldwell - Ref #1- "National Register Information System". National Register of Historic Places. National Park Service. July 9, 2010. - is empty at the source. Is there any way to get at that info? For readers to see the info? Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 23:11, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

  •  Done@Shearonink: Put in link of National Archives that shows the nomination form - wait a few seconds, as it takes time to load.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Article lead and style of the Theatre

Doug Coldwell - I am uncomfortable describing the Theatre in the lead as being solely "Greek Revival". One other source states "Colonial" but taking a look at the windows and proportions of the overall structure (especially keeping in mind the related & adjacent Assembly Hall) those elements are not really characteristic of either Greek or of Colonial but perhaps look more reminiscent of the Romanesque style. Have removed the Greek Revival statement - only from the lead section - but let's discuss etc. Shearonink (talk) 18:17, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 14:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


Comments

  • "At the time the structure was built to be one..." maybe "At the time the structure was built, it was one"?


  • " of the best " what does this mean? By what measure?


  • "had been destroyed by fire." sounds like they both went up at the same time, perhaps clarify that.


  • "facility has a history of productions of various plays" this seems like saying "the pub has a history of serving beer".


  • "Building Features" features.


  • "The theater building" repeat the name here.


  • "in 1972. In 1980" repetitive.


  • "Colonial design" any decent link?


  • "Doric columns" likewise?


  • "builder" he built it?


  • "hipped roof, denticulated" what do both those mean?
  •  Done - Copy edited accordingly giving description. In the picture of the theater you can see the inverted "V" hipped roof. The teeth-like blocks underneath the decorative upper edge of the building are the dentil.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:09, 17 March 2021 (UTC)


  • "pedimented center" and that?
  •  Done - Copy edited accordingly giving description. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:33, 17 March 2021 (UTC)


  • "portico Doric" what's portico? And link Doric first time.
  •  Done - Copy edited accordingly giving description. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:33, 17 March 2021 (UTC)


  • "pillars which" that (to avoid repetitiveness).


  • "was in the class of the finest opera" how so?


  • "gridiron" what's that?


  • "fly galleries" and those?
  •  Done - Linked accordingly. Used by behind-the-scenes theater crew for lowering or raising items to and from the stage floor.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:16, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


  • "floor. [5]The" move the space to after the ref.


  • "by notable artists in their own right" do you mean "by artists notable in their own right"?


  • "who painted sets..." lots of "painted" in these sentences.


  • "gilded proscenium besides" overlinked.
  •  Done -- Adjusted those sentences to make everything more clear and less clunky and remove the "over-reffing". Shearonink (talk) 20:27, 17 March 2021 (UTC)


  • "in 1882. In 1883" repetitive Perhaps "in 1882. The following year"


  • "Twenty-five more plays were performed in 1903 with a record 53 " 25/53 or Twenty-five/fifty-three.


  • "Western theatre Association of Chicago" small t?


  • "was terminated in" what was, the association or the lease?


  • "$25,000 from" inflate.


  • "Rotarians" link?


  • "movie theatre house" theatre or theater?


  • "out of date" hyphenate. But do you really just mean "old"?


  • "that ran first run movies" hyphenate "first-run".


  • "was licensed from the " I don't really understand this sentence.


  • "purchase the theatre and hall for $3,000 per year. This was to go over a twelve-year period. There" maybe merge, "purchase the theatre and hall for $3,000 per year over a twelve-year period. There"?


  • "Michigan State Troops" link?


  • "city would acquire"" would or did?


  • "of the space of the hall" of the hall or in the hall?


  • "its original heyday" POV issues.


  • "Managing Director" why caps?


  • "theatre and hall.[13][6] " theatre or theater? And order of refs.


  • "In this year he started" ugh, merge with previous short sentence.


  • "fund raising" hyphenate.


  • Don't think the historical marker text needs to be repeated, it's pretty clear to see.


  • Refs should be complete, i.e. publisher, date, access date, website etc.
Reminder: I'm taking this one on. Shearonink (talk) 19:00, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: I'm not sure the Note I added is Wiki-kosher or "according to Hoyle" but I wanted any possible future readers to know that the National Archives actually has a pdf file of the Nomination & Acceptance forms available online for public view. Shearonink (talk) 21:57, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


  • "1902-1914" etc, year ranges, page ranges etc need en-dash not hyphen.


  • "Ramsdell Theatre - City of Manistee" spaced hyphen should be en-dash too.


  • It's not listed in the "U.S. National Register of Historic Places" navigation box so it shouldn't be there.
?? -- Am confused about this item. Per the National Archives the Ramsdell is listed on the National Register (see info below), so what exactly is missing that needs to be fixed?
  • Record Hierarchy
Record Group 79:
Records of the National Park Service, 1785 - 2006
Series: National Register of Historic Places and National Historic Landmarks Program Records, 2013 - 2017
File Unit: National Register of Historic Places and National Historic Landmarks Program Records: Michigan
Item: Michigan Single Properties Finding Aid, https://catalog.archives.gov/id/25337646 (Page 403)
Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 20:11, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
This article is not listed in the NRHP template at the bottom of the page. I didn't say it wasn't listed in the NRHP. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:14, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Ah ok, clear as mud now. so the template should be {{National Register of Historic Places in Michigan}} then. Got it. Shearonink (talk) 20:34, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

That's it, on hold. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:12, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

  • FYI, I live about 30 miles (48 km) from this theater and is the reason I was able to get so many pictures of it.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Ref 4 needs filling out properly. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:00, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
@The Rambling Man: Ref 4 is covered by Ref 2 = fixed. Will that work.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 16:40, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Doug Coldwell Sorry, I missed that correction/adjustment in that massive edit conflict I thought I had fixed. Sfn ref/Ref #4 looks perfect to me (Harvard refs can sometime be such a pain to get adjusted so they're correct... ) Shearonink (talk)

Okay, I made a few minor tweaks and deleted a sentence which I think was already covered. Feel free to revert. Otherwise, I'm satisfied this is good enough now. Nice work. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:01, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Working through this article's refs per the individual GAR

In advance of the oncoming GAR.
These refs are all accessible online and check out as reliable:

  • Ref 1-NRHP info
  • Ref 2-Learn about Ramsdell Theater History
  • Ref 3-Eckert
  • Ref 4-Sexton
  • Ref 6-Spirit of the woods
  • Ref 9-
  • Ref 10
  • Ref 11
  • Ref 12
  • Ref 13
  • Ref 14-Ramsdell A New Century, Gerdom Management Group, 2011, Manistee Municipal Gov.

The following refs are not available online:

  • Ref #5 - Dufresne, Jim (1988). Michigan: Off the Beaten Path : a Guide to Unique Places. Globe Pequot Press. p. 67. ISBN 9780871067913. It was proclaimed "acoustically perfect"
  • Ref #7 - Royce, Julie Albrecht (2007). Traveling Michigan's Sunset Coast. Dog Ear Publishing. pp. 416–417. ISBN 9781598583212.
  • Ref #8 - "Theatre Talk / Union Hall may be used as Temporary Theatre if Money can be raised". Manistee Daily News. Manistee, Michigan. November 22, 1901. p. 1.

Shearonink (talk) 22:05, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

This section is some of my work in advance and support of Intent to open an independent GAR. Shearonink (talk) 18:04, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
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