Talk:Rape by gender/Archive 1

'One in four women raped' statistic

"Study, between one in four and one in six college aged women will be raped during her lifetime. 17.7 million women have been victims of rape and attempted rape in the United States."

This smells. Frigo 23:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The one in four statistic has been proven to be a myth. If I can, and if I'm not too lazy, I'd like to at least present a differing point of view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.194.55.82 (talk • contribs) 01:26, 24 October 2006

That's a relief. Thank you for pointing this out - but how come no one's changed it yet? (I don't want to touch it yet until I know the exact statistic to replace it with.) --DearPrudence 00:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

This might help: [1] --DearPrudence 01:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I've taken out the statistic. It's ridiculous to still have it up there after all this time, considering it's been disproven. --DearPrudence 20:49, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Lesbian versus bisexual in women+women

"by their lesbian lovers"

I'm not sure if I should say 'bisexual or lesbian' or just keep it lesbian. Bisexuals are definately included, but I'm unsure if the sexual adjective is referring to the lover's sexuality, or the lover's sexual role, which is most definately only a lesbian one since the article refers to that type of interaction. Ala, two bisexual women can only have a lesbian relationship. Tyciol 17:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Is it really possible for men to be raped? 130.71.96.23 02:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is possible. --DearPrudence 03:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Female-on-male rape statistic: 31% - source?

"Finally, since the incidence of female-on-male rape is on record at much higher rates (31% compared to 10%) in Canada, it is likely being substantially under-reported in the US. I'm not contesting this statistic, but could someone please find a source for this? A clarification would be nice, too - does this mean that 31% of all reported rapes in Canada (and 10% of all reported rates in the United States) are female-on-male rapes? --DearPrudence 01:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

A quick google of 'female sex offenders' resulted in the following sources [2], this one seems to have the statistic and this one is the official site. 128.111.95.245 01:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I have added one of the sources to the article: Rape by sex#Non statutory female on male rape --DearPrudence 21:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I added another fact frequently overlooked on the topic. In many jurisdictions, including my own, the penetration of a male victim by a digit or an object is the same crime. My state goes even further, but the point I gave is the more generic one.Niteshift36 (talk) 04:49, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Rape by gender: a POV loaded Title

The use of the word 'gender' (a codeword used by what misandry researchers call "fascist" feminists to rape the language covertly) is false, misleading and often completely absurd in it's usages. The types of rape listed here are sex acts which are sex based rather than a gender based. We do not type rapes by the sexual preferences of the rapist but rather by the sexual organs of the rapists which are almost always sex related. Therefore, we need to call this article what it is: Rape by sex to reflect the realities of rape rather than to push yet another gender-ginning political propaganda piece. Of course socially constructed gender identities do indeed influence rape but we are not focusing on that here very much. Please weigh in on this and correct the title to reflect NPOV realities about the sex of the rapists and their victims. 128.111.95.138 02:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree that Rape by sex is a more fitting name for this article, but I'm unsure as to how to go about getting it changed. Also, it seems to me that more people would think to look for an article titled "Rape by gender" than they would to search for "Rape by sex," but I'm sure that a simple redirect could fix this problem. —Mears man 20:31, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I've moved the article to "Rape by sex," and, to the best of my knowledge, I've redirected all pages that linked to "Rape by gender" to the new article's name. —Mears man 21:14, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Does the phrase "gender preferences" near the top refer to what would be called "gender identification"? That would make the sentence make the most sense. If so, please use "gender identification" That way the top paragraph would say, what I think it means to say, which is, "look, someone might be gender-identified as different from their biological gender, but it is their biological gender that this article uses to classify types of rape" If that is the intent, I think this makes a lot of sense as a wikipedia article; for example the myth about "if he was raped then he could not possibly have an erection" that is dealt with (I found this article by searching for "The Book of Revelation" 2006 aust. film) is an important one, and clearly it does NOT matter whether the rape victim who is biologically male happens to have a gender itentification of female (that is, if the victim is transgender and considers him/herself to be female). Thus, I agree with the premise that the categorization should be by "biological gender" and not by not gender identification (it is not a 'preference' in most cases they prefer not to feel the way they do but the reality is they feel as if born in the wrong gender body)). None of this has anything to do with feminism, of any kind. Notice that by using the term "sex preference" people might misunderstrand and think we mean "sexual orientation" so "gender identification" is the best language.

Thus instead of "While gender preferences do play a role in rape, the types of rape listed here are primarily classified by sex rather than by gender." the second sentence would carry its intended meaning, as I understand it, more accurately by stating instead, "While gender identifications do play a role in rape, the types of rape listed here are primarly classified by biological gender" Note the changes in both halves of the sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.118.49.24 (talk) 04:32, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Check this content please

Content at issue:

The rape of females by males (male-female) is the best known and most reported form of rape in the United States. RAINN states that young females are four times more likely than any other group to be the victims of sexual assault. However, female victims of male rape can be of any age, ranging from infants to the elderly. It is not only women who meet society's standards for being considered "attractive" who are at risk of rape. More than 32,000 pregnancies result from male-female rape every year (Holmes et al. 1996). Generally, even conservatives in the United States who might otherwise oppose abortion nevertheless support a woman's right to an abortion if she is the victim of rape. Female victims of male rape often experience multiple victimization which means they are assaulted more than once in their lives due to PTSD vulnerability. By all reasonable reports male-female rape exacts a staggering toll on women in America. However, as the best known form of rape in the United States, the rape of females by males is also sometimes mistaken as the only form of rape. All forms of rape (including male on male, female-male, and female-female) are valid and, according to many, deserve investigation by researchers, reporting by crime reporters and treatment by therapists.

This content above looks like the usual biased and alarmist RAIN rant. Kipnis in the Female Thing (2006) deconstructs RAINS rants pretty well. Please clean this content up, used NPOV sources and reinsert content directly relevant to showing what female-male rape is. 128.111.95.138 03:03, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree that this content needs to be checked. Also, I wanted to tell you that I reverted your most recent edit to the main article and labelled it vandalism, but having seen your other edits, I realise now that this wording was inaccurate. However, as your edit was a definition of male-on-female rape, something that can be found in the rape article itself, I took it out. --DearPrudence 06:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Question of whether perpetrator of male rape must be homosexual

Discussion moved from User talk:meco

What is the definition of a homosexual, if not someonw who desires to have intercourse with someone of the same sex?

If this is the definition, then a man who rapes another man is a homosexual or a bisexual (and the same for women). It may be that that the rapist is sexually attracted to women too, in which case he is also a heterosexual. However, I note that the article does not rush to dissociate rape and heterosexuality. BillMasen 17:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I am somewhat befuddled by the appearance of the above entry on my discussion page. I don't believe this is a reaction to something I have written in connection with that article, or am I wrong? __meco 17:40, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

This is a (belated) response to your edits to the article(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rape_by_sex&diff=125623223&oldid=125609644) which imply that male-male rape "does not make the rapist a homosexual". BillMasen 18:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I see. I believe this discussion should be taking place at the article's talk page, so I'll move it there. __meco 23:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Now, the reason I made that edit is that here in Norway it appears to be a common opinion on all types of rape that this is an act of domination just as much as it is a sexual act. If I want to degrade you, I rape you. That doesn't say anything basically about my sexual orientation (as this term is usually perceived, anyway). __meco 23:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Similar common discovery in Australia - it is about power. On a related matter, the majority of child rape victims of pedophiles are boys and the assumption that the pedophile must be homosexual is also wrong. A majority of pedophiles are active heterosexuals - it is just that boy child victims have been less likely to tell or report it, so the pedophile can continue onto a large number of victims (averaging 140+) before getting caught and that is usually because a girl child is raped and she told and reported it. So the sexual desire here is less to do with orientation than power and safety for the rapist-- Ziji  (talk)  03:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

From a biomedical science point of view, in the case of rats, if a male rat rapes another male then the rape victim is considered homosexual for having received anal sex, whereas the rapist in this sense is considered heterosexual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.73.160.116 (talk) 09:14, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

UHH... EXCUSE ME, I HAVE SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH THIS BIASED, POV PART damn capslock! part of the article

First of all, there are two "citation needed" tags in this part. The whole thing is just some misandrous feminist's (wrong) opinion. Secondly, Professor Camille Paglia (a REAL feminist) would strongly disagree with all of this. Read her writings about this subject. Thirdly,, at risk of being shouted down, I was gang-raped in 2002 and I LOVED it--it was the closest thing I'll ever have to a religious revelation.

"A woman's physiological response to sexual contact is involuntary and in no way implies consent. Women can become aroused, their body can produce natural lubrication, and they can even orgasm against their will while being raped. "

Yeah, I can just see the girl, lying there, cumming and cumming and trying to remind herself "oh, yeah, this is supposed to be bad...fuck it... UNNGH! UNNGH! DON'T STOP...."

But the anti-sex "feminists" dig themselves in further:

Furthermore, even if the victims orgasm is intensely pleasurable,

...Which I'll just bet it is, since orgasms ALWAYS are!

it can lead to great stress, remorse, and self loathing, or perhaps feelings of guilt because they enjoyed the orgasm while being raped.

All typical sick/puritan/american teachings. I can just see the catholic teenage former-virgin trying hard to convince herself that the thing shen loved so much was "bad".

Here's the icing on the bullshit cake:

Also .it can cause emotional difficulties if the victim begins to associate orgasmic pleasure with the trauma of being raped.

!!!

Yeah, she lies in bed every night, cumming intensely while remembering the magical experience she was so lucky to have. WHAT'S PREVERTED HERE IS THE DOUBLE TALK AND DENIAL OF THE OBVIOUS: SOME WOMEN **LIKED** BEING RAPED. OKAY? GET OVER IT.

I'm not going to repair this section to make it more objective because it would just be reverted. But I want the Bowdlerizing brownshirts to explain, here, WHY they would delete the truth from Wikipedia. TechnoFaye Kane 00:00, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your POV. Anything to add from a reliable source? - SummerPhD (talk) 21:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Here's your reliable source: I was raped and I cummed GOOD ...or is that "original research"?

Actually, that's an interesting question. If an astronaut wrote about "life on the space station", would that be original research? Also, what keeps a crackpot from putting up a couple of kook-science websites and then referencing them in wikip? Sorry to put this question here (because it's not about rape), but I have always wondered about this and I have absolutely no idea who to ask. TechnoFaye Kane 05:31, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

• Yes, your experience is original research. To answer your more specific question: First read wp:rs for guidelines on reliable sources. If editors dispute the relevance or neutrality of the source, it is discussed on the discussion pages. If a solution can't be reached, there is an adminstrators noticeboard that deals with nothing but disputes involving the reliability of sources. Niteshift36 (talk) 12:34, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Lack of Female-Female Rape

I am curious why there is no section on Female-Female rape. Is it that there are no statistics for it or what? Jburley8472 (talk) 06:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)