Talk:Rebate plane
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Inconsistent use of rabbet vs. rebate[edit]
The first sentence indicates the Rebate plane is used for cutting rabbets. However, the rest of the article refers to these cuts at rebates.
I believe rabbet is the correct term, though I acknowledge rebate is more often used in England and other English speaking countries.
Oxford Living Dictionary (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/rebate) indicates the origin of rebate as:
Late 17th century: alteration of rabbet.
Saibot942 (talk) 18:05, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
Considering the absence of concerns, I will update the article. Saibot942 (talk) 13:36, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- I appreciate your effort but it seems that someone reverted your changes without explanation, or maybe I don't understand what you intended. In the USA, the word "rabbet" is used exclusively, as far as I know. The biggest issue is that the article is incorrect. "The rebate plane is one of a group of planes, including the shoulder plane, bullnose plane and carriage makers plane, in which the blade protrudes by a very small amount - usually less than half a millimetre - from the sides of the plane body on both sides. The blade is very slightly wider than the body of the plane." The illustrations belie this. How can the plane have a fence if the blade is wider than the body? How can it cut a side groove in a piece of wood? The blade is much narrower than the body. The blade cuts a side groove, determined by the fence, to a variable depth, as shown by the illustration of a rabbet. (I have one here that my grandfather used. It is similar to the one in the first illustration.) Wastrel Way (talk) Eric —Preceding undated comment added 03:54, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Rebate is English English, Rabbet is American English[edit]
See Paul Sellers's blog. He is a 50+ year apprenticeship-served master craftsman cabinet maker (furniture maker) and has live and worked extensively in both Britain and the USA (as have I). Paul explains this difference on his blogs and on his youtube channel.
This Page is inaccurate (i.e. wrong) in parts and incomplete[edit]
[1] The Stanley 92 is not a Rabbet or Rebate plane!!! It is a Shoulder Plane [ref. Stanley's own online catalog(ue): https://www.stanleytools.com/products/hand-tools/cutting-tools/planes/no-92-sweetheart-shoulder--chisel-plane/12-140 ].
It is vitally important that we get these 2 pages (Rebate Plane vs. Shoulder Plane) correct as these plane look similar but are functionally and physically different. The chief differences that I am aware of are:
- 1. Shoulder planes' bed for the iron are significantly lower angled than those of rebate planes,
- 2. Shoulder planes' irons are bevel-up while rebate planes have bevel-down irons
- 3. Rebate planes sometimes have skewed irons (but sometimes not) and Shoulder planes do not have skewed irons.
- 4. Rebate planes sometimes have depth gauges, Shoulder planes to not.
- 5. Rebate planes sometimes have a planing guide, either along the length of the body or mounted on rods/beams parallel to the body. Shoulder planes do not.
- 6. Bullnose planes are similar to Shoulder Planes, not Rebate planes.
Shoulder planes are not a type of Rebate Plane, they are distinctly different in both purpose and design - see details above.