Talk:Red October (fictional submarine)

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Jack Ryan[edit]

The article says "Along for the ride on the Dallas, and later on the Red October, is a part-time CIA analyst named Jack Ryan..." However, Jack Ryan was never on the Dallas...

--phider 76.97.2.119 (talk) 01:27, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Ryan boarded the Dallas via a botched helicopter transfer. He then traveled from the Dallas via a DSRV (called the Mystic in the film ... not sure if it was the same in the novel) to the Red October after the October's crew had abandoned ship. You may recall that the captain of the Dallas was about to sink the October, and it was Ryan who convinces him not to using the "Crazy Ivan" ruse. LonelyBeacon (talk) 01:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That was in the movie adaptaion that Ryan who convinces the Dallas captain not to using the "Crazy Ivan" ruse, not the novel.

User:Dudleybus User talk:Dudleybus 17:39, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Incoherent plot summary[edit]

The plot summary is incoherent. It starts,

Once at sea Ramius murdered the political officer and then turned the ship towards the United States. Despite efforts by the Soviet Navy, Red October was able to reach USS Dallas and the United States was able to engage in a complicated rescue plan.

Who needs rescuing? From what? All we've been told is that a guy has been murdered and a submarine has been sailed towards the USA. What's the USS Dallas? Why is Red October trying to reach it? Why might it be unable to reach it? What's going on, Ted? Dricherby (talk) 10:03, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On another note, I have removed this sentence: This is incorrect, A japanesse prototype submarine had a magnetohydrodynamic drive installed and was able to maintain a speed of almost 9 knots. from the end of the paragraph. No links are given to the prototype submarine in question, nor is it sourced and it seems like someone put it in there to rebuff the statement that no submarine in existence has used a magnetohydrodynamic drive system rather than add to the plot summary. -- Droideka75 (talk) 11:11, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The plot summary also confuses both the book and film adaptations. It refers to Ryan being aboard USS Dallas. Something that never happens in the Novel but only in the Altered film version. It also refers to blowing up the Ethan Allen to simulate Red October's destruction, Which is what happens in the book, but was altered in the film. Which is the plot supposed to come from, the novel or the film? the summary blurs both. Cg23sailor (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:22, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Infoboxes[edit]

Per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(writing_about_fiction), it is inappropriate to use infoboxes intended for real-world topics to describe fictional elements of a fictional universe. I have removed the infoboxes used for real-world ships from the article. Roothog (talk) 15:53, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And I have reverted per WP:BRD and WP:IAR. Such a move should have been discussed before at WT:SHIPS. Also, your edits have removed several relevant informative pieces of information and per the guideline you have cited, a customized infobox similar is acceptable, and the infobox you have removed is fully customizable if you know how to do it. This needs a centralized discussion at WT:SHIPS before because this article, if lacking an infobox would continue to be tagged as needing one regardless of fiction or not. -MBK₀₀₄ 00:07, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Displacement[edit]

This article claims a submerged displacement of 32,000 tons for the fictional Red October, which is a modified Typhoon class. The article for the real-life Typhoon class claims a submerged displacement of 48,000 tons. If anything, I would expect the Red October, with its addition of an additional drive mechanism, to have a greater displacement. Shouldn't the Red October have a submerged displacement equal to or greater than the actual Typhoon class? Axeman (talk) 00:15, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Likely to confuse[edit]

per Crom (fictional deity) we shouldn't be presenting this submarine as a real submarine. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:10, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]