Talk:Revival (Bulgarian political party)

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"ultranationalist" sounds more like a straw man argument rather than an objective introduction[edit]

How do even distinguish between nationalism and ultranationalism? Ultranationalism is left-wing smear. 93.206.56.188 (talk) 23:42, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ultranationalism is an academic term that is characterized as an extreme form of nationalism that anthropomorphizes a country that experiences eras of decay and growth based on arbitrary labels of arbitrary degeneracy which Revival refers to inferior cultures. The Revival party has many connections to anti Gypsy Skinhead gangs from the early 2010s as well as its leader otherizing the Jewish community, saying they're guests. As well as possessing irredentist policies toward North Macedonia. Rebel14 (talk) 15:19, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's not the definition that is slapped here on the pages of Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultranationalism

"...Ultranationalism or extreme nationalism is an extreme form of nationalism in which a country asserts or maintains detrimental hegemony, supremacy, or other forms of control OVER other nations (usually through VIOLENT coercion) to pursue its specific interests. Ultranationalist entities have been associated with the engagement of political VIOLENCE even during peacetime. The belief system has also been cited as the inspiration behind acts of organized MASS MURDER in the context of international conflict, e.g. the Cambodian genocide..."

Revival was the only party in Bulgaria that insisted that Russia and Ukraine should immediately stop the war and begin peace talks and that Bulgaria should not take a side in the conflict, so how does that make them ultra-nationalistic and far-right? It doesn't Boris (talk) 04:58, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Russia[edit]

@SaltyViking: there are two types of nationalist parties in Bulgaria "Patriots" (more moderate & pro-western) and nationalist (pro-russian & extreme). Vaz is clearly the latter for example here an image of protests by Vaz with russian flags

"They need to claim it, until they reject it, you cannot write that they are a Russophilian party." is an extreme position to define russophilia even for Bulgaria. Braganza (talk) 20:04, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

and if you think Russophilia should be removed on Vaz, what about BV?! they even voted for sending weapons to ukraine Braganza (talk) 20:05, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

yeah I think it should be removed from BV. Recent statements from BV (including in debates) show a clear emphasis on preseving existing alliance systems, seeing Russia as the agressor state and supporting Ukraine with military aid. Bulpoliticsedit (talk) 20:15, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It absolutely should be removed. My mother is from Kharkiv, father is Bulgarian, and I tell you than Revival is not pro-Russian. I know many supporters that are anti-Russian, but support the nationalistic idea. In that logic you can write that PP is LGBTQ + because we saw a few flags there, or that it is an Ukrainophile party. SaltyViking (talk) 22:11, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SaltyViking: Just to let you know that Wikipedia uses reliable sources (both Reuters and Deutsche Welle are listed as reliable sources on WP:RSP) and that you've been already reverted several times by multiple editors, so you should stop edit-warring. Just because Revival might claim that they are not pro-Russian, that would actually not justify its removal from the infobox, as Revival is the primary source in this case. This is a common WP:IWAR example: whitewashing one party's image just because they do like to be described as pro-Russian. Vacant0 (talk) 20:43, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You can write it as a remark but not as a ideology. Ideology is defined by what the party considers itself and who it supports, neither there is proof of Russian funding or pro-Russian statements. I do not like Kostadinov, but he has claimed multiple times that he is not Pro-Russian, in your logic you can also say that Revival is Turkophobic, because many have mentioned it. You as a Serb, should now that being neutral does not mean being pro-Russian, and he claims that. In the Bulgarian Wikipedia no one has written that his party is Russophilian. To sum up, neither BV nor Revival is openly pro-Russian. Please, I do not want non-neutral pro or anti Russian wikipedia. SaltyViking (talk) 22:07, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Go and read what I've already said. Wikipedia relies on third-party reliable sources which clearly say that the party is pro-Russian. This is the English Wikipedia, so whatever is present on Bulgarian Wikipedia does not matter. Though you've mentioned that "no one has written that his party is Russophilian" on Bulgarian Wikipedia, that is incorrect, as in the lede it clearly says that the party has been described as anti-EU, anti-Western, and pro-Russian. Vacant0 (talk) 17:20, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I meant in the ideology part. Apparently, the first paragraph in both Wikipedias is the same. Also, those third-party sources do not indicate any proof of any pro-Russian politics in Bulgaria. Could I ask you why there is no Russophilia written in the ANY of the Serbian parties as an ideology? Clearly, because many of you prefer to interfere in Bulgarian politics. I would have understood your 'third-party' if they have written in themselves any explanation. But they do not, they just mention that the party is pro-Russian, without any interview pieces or anything else. Sadly, you take whatever the big media says for granted and just post here and there some references to prove a point without any foundation. I have never in my life imagined that I will be even debating about a party like Revival, so ridiculous and illogical with most of it's politics. P.S: BV should also be removed as a Russophilian party. SaltyViking (talk) 08:26, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Far-right or far-left[edit]

I think this political party is often wrongly categorized as far right, when infact it is far-left conservative. In eastern Europe almost all left wing parties are more conservative than what you would associate with left wing in western europe, they have some of the traits from the far-right in the west(usually around immigration and LGBT rights), but their economical policies and most other policies are classical left wing policies. The political pary itself does not categorize itself as left or right, so it's really up to the beholder, but i would categorize them as far-left conservative/nationalist Brigadabg (talk) 19:01, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]