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The text repeatedly refers to what Rick Wiles "believes"; only he knows that. For clarity and accuracy, it would be better to say that he "has said" something, or "says he believes" something, or some such wording. As I'm not familiar with the basis for the statements, I can't make the changes myself, but suggest the original author does. DrDef (talk) 18:07, 28 December 2018 (UTC)DrDef[reply]

Subjective Political Opinions[edit]

I believe the opening statement to be hateful and opinionated rather than stating facts about a living person. It's showing up on his Google KG Should it be removed? =) @PrussianOwl: Dprophitjr (talk) 17:41, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Of course it shouldn't be removed. It's sourced to a RS and accurately describes the website. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 21:07, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would at least edit it to be more neutral. We're supposed to have a neutral point of view after all. PrussianOwl (talk) 06:49, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What would be a neutral way to describe a website that promotes racist and anti-semitic conspiracy theories? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 08:23, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know a lot about that site, but I do know it's bad practice to have a one-sentence, all-negative lede. PrussianOwl (talk) 22:01, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Citing the political opinion section of a newspaper isn't a credible and neutral source. If the author of article will not reword it, I recommend nomination for deletion. Opinions are like "aspirins". Everyone has one! =)

Of course a religious person will be against LGBTQ in their faith. Doesn't make them a bigot. I also feel this article does not follow the living persons biography policy at all! IMHO To claim racist, et al, one needs to cite a court opinion of a hate crime. It would be subjective to state those without facts! @PrussianOwl: Dprophitjr (talk) 14:25, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The cited WaPo article is not an op-ed. (Also, could you change your signature? It's complete mayhem to try to properly inline comments.) Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:35, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Zionism is political organization founded in 1897 under Theodor Herzl opposing a political pov isn't being racists. No different than UK or US political repartee between political parties in any country. Rick Wiles often delineates the biblical differences between Israel in scripture and the political body. I assert that your writing style is libellous. IMHO @Snooganssnoogans:Dprophitjr (talk) 10:22, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I do not understand what your comment is saying. I have not read TruNews or Wiles's writings, and I do not intend to. I just stick to what the RS say. If the cited RS is wrong, you need to demonstrate it by finding contradictory RS. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 11:31, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Go create a stub for TruNews if you wish. But, this article isn't focusing on the person. But, rather, the organization from your POV. See biography template We need to reword History. It does not cover his early life and only focuses on work history. Remove TruNews, Associated guests. The See also doesn't list closely related material. But rather, definition terms that are contentious. I've emailed wikipedia for libellous claim. @Snooganssnoogans: Dprophitjr (talk) 14:02, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This website is as far as I can tell this guy's sole claim to notability, so of course the website and his role in it should be covered. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:06, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'd never cite People for the American Way, but most sources cite it and they all agree with the characterization. The WaPo report is not an op-ed and there are news articles of various political leanings. There are no WP:BLP concerns in describing the website, and the rest of the article satisfies WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV (still necessary here). The category Category:American conspiracy theorists might be contentious, though. wumbolo ^^^ 18:15, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think this page is poorly written and should be pulled as its deliberately using to platform to harm living individuals. Mike10861086 (talk) 17:30, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The lede, which relies on a single source not listed on WP:RSP, clearly violates WP:RACIST. It should be revised ASAP. Cherio222 (talk) 06:45, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I removed "TruNews is known for promoting racist and antisemitic conspiracy theories. TruNews frequently described President Barack Obama as a "demon from hell".[3] Obama, he claimed while the former president was in office, was the "jihadist-in-chief" who was "waging jihad against the United States from inside the White House" and murdered Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia as a "pagan sacrifice".[14]" as none of the following "known for promting racist and antisemitic conspiracy theories" have anything to do with backing up that claim. 206.214.224.106 (talk) 22:59, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Living Persons Article Doesn't Focus On A Person[edit]

I believe this article focuses more on TruNews more than it does as a biography of a living person. I believe it to be contentious and possibly libellous for citing one source in a political section of a newspaper who leans left. I want to nominate for deletion. @Reaper Eternal: Dprophitjr (talk) 10:49, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Missing information[edit]

"Today on TruNews we discuss how a bipartisan Silicon Valley satanist cabal has fused with government, media, and entertainment at the top levels, to persecute believers through the Beast System prophesied in the Bible; and enact a demonic dark state rife with digital ethnic cleansing and pre-birth abortions of Christians, straight males, and any who refuse to bow the knee to Satan." Wiles, Rick (June 12, 2019). "TechnoNazi Tyranny: Social Media Giants Classify Christianity as Pornography" (video podcast). TruNews. Retrieved June 12, 2019.
"TruNews reports […] that Jews or Nazis who are gay or lesbian will bring forth the end of the world." Kwong, Jessica (March 29, 2019). "Donald Trump Jr. Slams Mueller Probe on TruNews, a Network That Reports on 'Countdown to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ'". New York City, NY: Newsweek. Archived from the original on June 9, 2019. Retrieved June 11, 2019. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
"Christian radio host Rick Wiles says Las Vegas massacre was caused by 'gay/lesbian Nazi regime.'" Hatewatch Staff (October 26, 2017). "Hatewatch Headlines 10/26/2017". Intelligence Report. Montgomery, AL: Southern Poverty Law Center. Archived from the original on June 12, 2019. Retrieved June 12, 2019. {{cite news}}: |archive-date= / |archive-url= timestamp mismatch; June 13, 2019 suggested (help); Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

Tobias Epos (talk) 03:32, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just another reminder that this article is missing information about Rick Wiles' dedicated anti-Nazi opposition to racist discrimination by ideologies, groups and individuals. Please expand the article to include this information.

Wiles, Rick (April 3, 2018). What's your race? Saved or lost?. Morning Manna. Vero Beach, FL: TruNews. Archived from the original on June 23, 2019. Retrieved June 18, 2019. {{cite AV media}}: |archive-date= / |archive-url= timestamp mismatch; June 18, 2019 suggested (help); Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

Further reading:

Kuttab, Jonathan (2018). "Palestinian Evangelicals and Christian Zionism" (PDF). Jerusalem Quarterly (76). Ramallah: Institute of Jerusalem Studies: 70–78. Archived from the original (PDF) on June 16, 2019. Retrieved June 23, 2019. Christian Zionism found a home among many Christians, even those who were themselves anti-Semitic. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

Tobias Epos (talk) 13:37, 23 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just another attempt to explain, why the neutrality of this article is missing:

"Israeli Foundation Awards $1 Million Prize to Wikipedia Founder and Others". JNS.org. Boston, MA: Jewish News Syndicate. February 11, 2015. Archived from the original on August 4, 2015. Retrieved June 25, 2019. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

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Tobias Epos (talk) 03:30, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WaPo in the lead[edit]

WaPo's description of TruNews pumping "out racist and anti-Semitic conspiracy-laden articles" belongs in the lead. It's not just the Forward that describes the website like this. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 20:30, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, another place where multiple sourcing is desirable. Philip Cross (talk) 20:48, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's not incitement[edit]

Incitement has a specific legal definition and this isn't it.

OK, sorry about the revert. Philip Cross (talk) 17:26, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]