Talk:Rite of Memphis-Misraim

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Unreferenced[edit]

I can not believe that this article has had an unreferenced tag since June of 06... it is obvious that no one is trying to locate sources for this article. Unless this changes, I will start to delete material until this is back to a pure stub. And may even nominate it for AfD. Blueboar 18:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, another month has passed and still no work is being done on references. I repeat my warning above... unless references are found soon, I will start to delete. To help indicate where I think references are needed, I will put citations requests through out the article... ugly as hell, yes... but it should highlight the problem.Blueboar 19:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC) (forgot to sign earlier)[reply]

I don't know that sources exist for this apart from its incarnation as Antient and Primitive Rite. It was on the project to-do, but I don't think anyone there knows anything about it. MSJapan 18:29, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well... If the sources don't exist, then isn't this mostly OR? Also, if they don't exist, I'm not sure the subject is notable enough to have an article on it. Never the less... I'll give it a bit more time, just in case. Blueboar 19:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, @Blueboar the entire wikipage needs WP:TNT. Devoke water 13:56, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removed this wild and unsourced claim![edit]

The text was:

Nevertheless, the Rite is practiced in the USA by a few lineages, including a French-derived lineage traced directly to Robert Ambelain, and operates for both men and women. Coincidentally enough, this lineage was gathered with Ronald Cappello, a "Regular" Mason who was a member of the Grand College of Rites, as its first National Grand Master. Despite its own official stance forbidding the practice of the Rite's rituals within the United States of America, the US Grand College of Rites secretly (until now) affiliated its own members, such as Arturo de Hoyos and Piers Vaughan, who received the Hermetic Degrees (34º to 95º) under this lineage. It also initiated some new members who were previously unaffiliated with any form of Freemasonry. This group is small compared to most others of the Rite and has not experienced any subsequent growth in the several years in which it has been active. What has become apparent to many is that Ronald Cappello mainly obtained the charter to secretly initiate his Grand College of Rites Brethren in the Hermetic Degrees, against their own rulings. The website for this lineage can be found here: http://www.memphis-misraim.us/. The group is mostly autonomous but ultimately under the control of the International Sovereign Sanctuary based in France.

That's quite a claim to make. There are no reliable sources given, so I removed it. Cosmic Sans (talk) 20:57, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of Fringe Orders[edit]

The Rite of Memphis-Misraim, like other rites and organizations within the Masonic orbit, attracts its fair share of non-notable spin-offs and homebrews. Quite a few groups lay claim to this rite, but bear in mind that they should not be added to the article unless they meet Wikipedia notability guidelines. This requires a substantial (non-trivial) amount of coverage in reliable sources. Cosmic Sans (talk) 13:34, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Recognition by mainstream Freemasonary[edit]

The Rite of Memphis-Misraim is not an official recognised Masonic body, a lot of the edits which are unsourced and difficult to verify indicate that it is. Devokewater (talk) 18:03, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That is patently false. There cannot be an "official recognized" masonic body because each masonic sovereign body decides who they will recognize. Many grand lodges have recognize different and often competing masonic bodies. The Rite of Memphis-Misraim does indeed exist in cooperation with some regular and recognized such as the Grand Orient of Italy and National Geand Lodge of Romania.Pepe Oats (talk) 18:29, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pepe Oats If thats the case can you add relaible and verifiable sources. Reliable, verifiable, independent sources are required to support material added to articles. Here's a list of recognised Masonic bodies; https://www.ugle.org.uk/about-us/foreign-grand-lodges Devokewater (talk) 18:46, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]