Talk:Ritornello

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I removed the following: "This Form was made by Antonio Vivaldi. He used this in his most well known piece called The Four Seasons." "The Four Seasons" is a collection of works and not a single piece, and they are all written in concerto form, though certain movements of them make use of the ritornello technique; however, the Ritornello form itself pre-dates Vivaldi, and he did not create it. True ritornello form can be seen in the dance movements of Telemann's "Tafelmusik" ("Table Music"), the "Rejouissance-Rondeau-Loure-Passepied" section. I am adding a section on the use of the term ritornello to denote an instrumental section of music in an early baroque opera. Jmclark (talk) 07:32, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possible copyvio[edit]

The first two paragraphs look like they've been copied out of The New Grove Encyclopedia of Music and Musicians. Edited by Stanley Sadie. Second edition vol. 21. Forgive me if I am wrong (this may just be source citation), but the start of the first paragraph looks suspiciously like it has been lifted straight from the encyclopedia. --Molerat 18:04, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed it, it was a straight copy and paste. In the future, I believe you can simply remove copyright violations like that (this is assuming you have access to the encyclopedia to check it). Mak (talk) 15:57, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion[edit]

This article confuses ritornello and ritornello form. Ritonello refers to both the ensemble and section that returns and also to the design of the movement as a whole. Ritornello Form refers to the form of the ritornello itself (Vordersatz, Fortspinnung, Epilog). I don't have time right now to correct the lackadaisical confusion of these two terms in this article, but I will hopefully remember to return. If I don't, please correct it for me. Thanks! 21:35, 23 May 2009

There is a larger problem here, in that the term "ritornello" can refer to a good many things depending on the time and place you are refering to. There is a difference between "a ritornello" and "ritornello form." Perhaps the article should be edited to discuss the use of the ritornello as a device and the ritornello as a musical form. Jmclark (talk) 09:39, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]