Talk:Road to the Multiverse/Archive 1

American Dad

Some fanon has suggested that this will be the first official Family Guy/American Dad! crossover, which Seth MacFarlane has been flirting with. Is this worth a discussion or still just remains specualtion? USN1977 (talk) 14:41, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

"Some fan"?? Who cares what some random people think. Find a reliable source and then add it. CTJF83Talk 20:31, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, that was a slang word of "fanon", not one fan. Nevertheless, you are right, which is why it did not make its way to the page. Fans have expressed eagerness to see an Family Guy/American Dad crossover, and MacFarlane has been hinting at it. (Stan Smith pointing his gun at Stewie does not count as that was a dream sequence). What did make the page, however, was a reference to Sliders, because that is overwhelming evidence that Stewie is using a device to travel between parallel universes, which is what Jerry O'Connell did. By the way, good use of fonts and colors Ctjf83, I need a creative signature like that. USN1977 (talk) 14:49, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

HAHA, Thanks! :) CTJF83Talk 16:29, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Another reference?

Is the first parallel universe's Meg's entry, with Van Halen's "Drop Dead Legs" playing and the camera panning up to reveal a much better-looking body than the Meg we're used to, an homage to some other recent film or TV show? It was a clever bit but it had the feel of something being alluded to. Daniel Case (talk) 14:58, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Cultural references

I have no problem with this removal, but I've just placed the removed section here so it can be sourced, if possible. Grsz¹¹ 19:11, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

In the Disney universe many Disney cliches are employed. The characters break into the song "It's a Wonderful Day for Pie." Family Guy characters are designed to resemble famous characters from Disney movies: Lois as Snow White, Peter as Doc from Snow White (or perhaps Smee from Peter Pan), Meg as Ursula from The Little Mermaid, Chris is eating honey from a beehive like Winnie the Pooh, Joe as a coffee pot similar to the Mrs. Potts from Beauty and the Beast, Cleveland as Flower the Skunk from Bambi, news anchor Tom Tucker as Brer Rabbit from Song of the South, Glenn Quagmire as a bird, Mayor Adam West as a mouse, the barbershop quartet as bees, Bruce as Tinker Bell and as a surprise, Herbert as the witch from Snow White makes an appearance. Brian comments on how perfect this universe is, as Mort enters wearing a Star of David. All the occupants (except Brian and Stewie) turn angrily and snarl "Jeeeeeeew!" then beat Mort to death, a reference to Walt Disney's alleged anti-Semitism.

In the universe where humans are subservient to dogs, a dog-policeman tells Brian to put Stewie on a leash. When Brian is about to do so, Stewie says, "Take your stinking paws off me you damn dirty dog!", which is a reference to a scene in Planet of the Apes.

When Stewie hopes that their "next leap will be the leap home", it is a reference to the opening sequence in the series Quantum Leap.

When Stewie shows Brian the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel in the world without Christianity, it is revealed the ceiling was plastered in pictures of Jodie Foster as a child star by John Hinckley Jr.

In an alternate history universe, it is revealed that World War III occurred due to Frank Sinatra not being born and his influence not being able to help elect John F. Kennedy (referring to the singer's friendship with Kennedy before and during the 1960 Presidential Election) causing Richard M. Nixon to win and botch the Cuban Missile Crisis. On a related note with this reality, Lee Harvey Oswald had assassinated Mayor McCheese.

In another alternate history universe, it is revealed that Japan won World War II due to the fact that the U.S. never dropped the atomic bomb and the fact that Japan would never surrender.

I put a reference up . This wasn't random people talking, this is the director Greg Colton online explaining to fans what they did with the sequence. I should know, I was the lead animator on that sequence . This isn't POV , it's the director describing his work and that's easily verifiable . Vanisheduser5965 (talk) 19:39, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh and "original research " is something the writer thought up , not the director. Vanisheduser5965 (talk) 19:39, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

You have no proof that is Colton, or that you have anything to do with FG. I could claim right now to be MacFarlane. CTJF83 chat 16:36, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Well yeah I do but I'm not posting his email addresses online but I can do this My blog , my website , the IMDB for me.

[three links with personal information removed by user:Sjö on October 11, 2009] If you are Seth send me your email. I can confirm it. Vanisheduser5965 (talk) 19:39, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh and just for you, ever seen the original roughs in pencil test ? No I think not .Have a nice day. Vanisheduser5965 (talk) 19:39, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Please show that ANY pencil test material is available online ANYWHERE . I thought you would find it humorous that I named it after you Ctjf83 .Vanisheduser5965 (talk) 19:39, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

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That's fine, I'm done discussing it, we'll just get you blocked for 3RR CTJF83 chat 21:19, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

So then I gather you don't really care and that the reversions were valid. =) Whatever.Vanisheduser5965 (talk) 19:39, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

They weren't valid, because even if you were who you say you were, it's original research. Grsz¹¹ 21:43, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

This is the edit in Sept 28th I think , before Vanisheduser5965 Grsz11 .

"In the Disney universe many Disney cliches are employed. The characters break into the song "It's a Wonderful Day for Pie." Family Guy characters are designed to resemble famous characters from Disney movies: Lois as Snow White, Peter as Doc from Snow White (or perhaps Smee from Peter Pan), Meg as Ursula from The Little Mermaid, Chris is eating honey from a beehive like Winnie the Pooh, Joe as a coffee pot similar to the Mrs. Potts from Beauty and the Beast, Cleveland as Flower the Skunk from Bambi, news anchor Tom Tucker as Brer Rabbit from Song of the South, Glenn Quagmire as a bird, Mayor Adam West as a mouse, the barbershop quartet as bees, Bruce as Tinker Bell and as a surprise, Herbert as the witch from Snow White makes an appearance. Brian comments on how perfect this universe is, as Mort enters wearing a Star of David. All the occupants (except Brian and Stewie) turn angrily and snarl "Jeeeeeeew!" then beat Mort to death, a reference to Walt Disney's alleged anti-Semitism."

Basically it is identical to the final you keep deleting. How is it you can accuse her of "original research " when the section she is defending was not even hers to begin with ? Then there is that "crappy fansite " run by Jerry Beck . It seems Mr Beck is a well known and respected author/expert on animation with a rather extensive history in film. Yes, like ten books or something like that. http://www.cartoonresearch.com/books.html WLPERD (talk) 01:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Animation (and Non-Amination)

Aw, c'mon, why was this deleted? Because I didn't source it? I watched the show and the credits, and I made no commentary on what I saw, the same as the Plot Summary. In all seriousness, how does one add a "source" to that? (That's not rhetorical; I need someone to explain it to me.) ShawnVW (talk) 17:55, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

• Some of the universes visited by Brian anhd Stewie are "alternate" in the way the characters are animated. A "Disney" world features full (possibly non-digital) animation; a world based on editorial cartoons appears as black-and-white line drawings; the Robot Chicken world is done in stop-motion clay animation (although not by the Robot Chicken animators), and another in done blocky low-resolution graphics
• One universe is shot in live-action, where Brian and Stewie are played by a white dog and a toddler who wears Stewie's yellow shirt and red overalls.

Guest stars

Were there any guest stars in the episode, or was it strictly just all main cast work? Gage (talk) 00:39, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Stewie Has Alternate Lines?

OK, maybe I'm just losing it here, and maybe I'm not. When I watched the rerun of this episode on Adult Swim, I could swear Stewie said "If you saw Lois, your penis would shoot right off of your body," or at least something to that effect. And yet I've seen another version where Stewie clearly says "If you saw Lois, you'd have to put your penis in a wheelchair." Has anyone else noticed this? I believe it'd be worth mentioning in the article if a few others could confirm this anomaly. I know it's not unusual for different versions of an audio track to be used in different areas because of sensitivity issues, but given both versions' use of the word "penis" (which some folks find to be too much) it doesn't seem to make much sense in this situation. Lostprophyt (talk) 22:18, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

If you can find a reliable source stating it. CTJF83 chat 22:16, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Road to the Multiverse/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Nyxaus (talk) 18:46, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Article failed - Nyxaus 11:31, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

No further improvements have been made and many parts of the GAR have not been completed. The article does not meet GA standards.

Final Review

N.B. In this report, SC stands for Specific Comments.
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   The writing style for the majority of The Plot is too colloquial and needs to be made more encyclopedic. For more help on this please see SC 1A. Major referencing and categorical errors, please see SC 2A.

   The prose of the reception section also needs to be completely reworked. Ωphois 20:15, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

   B. MoS compliance:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   The lead is too short, you could try adding a short (3 or 4 line) synopsis of the episode. See WP:LEAD for more help.

   The production section is extremely short, and covers the "Road to" series rather than this specific episode. From your notice on this page, it appears to me that you are under the false GA assumption of passing because "It appears that the article is as good as it will ever get, and will never meet the standards." Per GA requirements, "Not every article can be a Good article. If the references to improve an article to Good article standards simply do not exist, then you should not overlook that part of the criteria." Just because no information is available does not mean that the article should be passed. In fact, it shows a possible lack of notability, and should only be nominated once the information becomes available. Ωphois 16:59, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

   Thank you for your contribution. I fully understand and validate what you are saying, however the criteria also reads "This requirement is significantly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required of featured articles; it allows short articles, articles that do not cover every major fact or detail, ... " The fact you quote also suggests " ... and it will never meet the standards ... " which I think is untrue in this case however you do raise a valid point which I will take into consideration in the final review. -- Nyxaus (talk) 19:03, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

   Replying to your comment on my talk page... The production should have interesting things about the production. Where did the episode's idea originate? What went into the writing process? Were there interesting things that happened while making it? A list of cast members is generally pointless, as guest stars are listed in the infobox. If they are included, then info should be given about why they were cast. As for other articles, you are correct that there are some with similar production sections, and they probably should not have passed in the first place. This article's section has little to nothing that actually relates to the episode itself. I'm not saying that it will never be good enough for GA. I'm saying that it shouldn't be GA until it is up to the standards of GA, which won't be until more information is released. Ωphois 19:29, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

   B. Focused:

   The article is focused however I do think the Plot section is going into a little too much detail, such as individual jokes. You may want to clean the Plot section up.

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   This article does not currently meet GA standards.

Specific Comments

SC 1A - The article is too colloquial. It needs to be made more formal. Some examples can be been below.
"...the first one that they went to..." instead use "...the first universe visited..."
"...results in them destroying the remote..." instead use "...results in the destruction of the remote..."
It may help to think about how you would write this for a educational report or for a newspaper.

SC 2A - Reference 2 has missing capitalisation. The formatting of Reference 8 is incorrect, please the correct the apostrophes. Also, please add categories to the article, such as [[Category:2009 television episodes]] and [[Category:Family Guy episodes: Season 8]] at the very least. Also, it is customary to add the television programs sequence at the bottom of the page, may I suggest using this template as that seems to be used on other episode pages.

Checklist

•  Not done Improve article prose
  • Try to work on the continuous prose, the article should flow effortlessly from point to point. Nyxaus 20:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
•  Done Correct referencing and catagorical sections
•  Done Check MoS to ensure high quality layout
  • MoS good Nyxaus 20:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
•  Not done Check grammar and punctuation (including spacing and capitalization)
  • A couple of grammatical errors: science fiction shouldn't been hyphenated and "...access different parallel universes; each depicting Quahog in the..." does not require a semi-colon. Nyxaus 20:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
•  Not done Insure all reference are applicable and no further citation is possible and article is complete

I am looking for them--Saint Pedrolas J. ^{Hohohohohoh merry christmas} 14:19, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Let me know when you have finished. Nyxaus 20:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

•  Not done Extend and improve lead (WP:LEAD)
•  Not done second opinion Insure unnecessary information has been deleted
•  Done Images are correct and relevant with full Free Use rationals, and the best possible images are used

Well i did not find a replacemeent but thats okay.--Saint Pedrolas J. ^{Hohohohohoh merry christmas} 14:19, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

•  Not done Extend Production section with relevant information regarding this individual episode

Copy edit

I'm currently working on the copy edit for this article. I'm pondering on whether or not terms like "dog Stewie" and "human Brian" should be capitalized, due to the context they are in. I have not capitalized them for now, and have queried at MOS:CAPS for a proper answer, since you are going for FA. Hopefully they'll answer it soon, but I think you did it right. _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 19:24, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

What you wrote works fine. Regards. _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 03:00, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I didn't see your comments here. Someone just so happened to bring up this same issue at peer review. Gage (talk) 11:09, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Brian's breed

What breed is the dog used to represent Brian in the live action reality? I think that shall be in trivia Undead Herle King (talk) 07:12, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

WP:TRIVIA. Gage (talk) 03:56, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Cultural references section

The concept of using a remote to jump between parallel universes was the basis of the show Sliders. Any possible reliable sources out there for this? --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 02:14, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Already noted in the Road_to_the_Multiverse#Production_and_development section. CTJF83 chat 02:16, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Grammar Error in the "Reception" Quote Box?

In the Reception quote box, it starts a quotation mark that is unmet at the end of the first quote. Is that intentional? (I am not sure, as I am somewhat new here). 71.112.3.6 (talk) 05:04, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Road to the Multiverse/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Xtzou (Talk) 17:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi, while reviewing the article I made a few copy edits. This is a nice article on what sounds like an interesting episode. Xtzou (Talk) 17:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail: Pass!

Congratulations! Xtzou (Talk) 17:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

phrasing

in the production and development section, there is a sentence that ends

"which previously worked on the first seasons of Robot Chicken"

i can't check the reference because it's dvd commentary.

if the company only worked on the first season, season shouldn't be plural. if they worked on seasons 1 and 2 then they worked on the "early seasons" or "seasons one and two"

LazyMapleSunday (talk) 07:02, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

First and early would essentially be the same thing, in what is trying to be conveyed by that sentence. It wasn't specifically mentioned that they worked on a certain season in the commentary, but it was implied, by Green I believe, that they took part in at least the first two seasons of the show. Gage (talk) 09:31, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

thanks LazyMapleSunday (talk) 08:04, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

It's a wonderful day for pie

Surely this song should be referenced in the article? Simply south...... unintentionally misspelling fr 5 years 21:42, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Do you have one? CTJF83 22:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)