Talk:Robert F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories

Hypno ++

There's more about this under Talk:Sirhan Sirhan.

There's an article for Assassination of John F. Kennedy in popular culture so it's relevant to mention Derren Brown's Assassin episode available on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90xfZJQzAhc).

Sirhan Sirhan may or may not have been a subject of MK Ultra but worth mentioning because, suspect in the conspiracy, the CIA and their program may have developed applicable tools of manipulation.

In RFK Must Die they stated that Sirhan Sirhan had brain damage from an accident, which makes some people more susceptible to manipulation by hypnosis, and as it turned out he was very hypnotizable.

By default, he would have no motive as a zombie puppet, which is worth mentioning. RFK stated that if president he would reopen his brother's case. "They" wouldn't allow that = motive.

It might be worth associating suspicious aspects of the Aurora shooting and the irregular James Holmes who may also be under some kind of mind manipulation. (ie. YouTube: "Brainwashed neuroscientist James Holmes - Aurora shooting" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHc1L1Rcpag )

Nothing last forever, including crime scenes. Some just seem to go faster than others, especially when suspicious (WTC, Sandy Hook, etc). The kitchen is gone. That and how might be worth mentioning.

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JasonCarswell (talk) 22:26, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

The problem is you don't provide any real evidence for any of this, it's just baseless speculation. The WTC collapsed, so I'm not sure exactly what's suspicious about the rubble being cleared away (a job which took nine months by the way); what evidence would be left to find anyway? Sandy Hook was demolished after 10 months, and I have yet to see anyone provide evidence of conspiracy in that case; if your child had been murdered there, would you want to see the place reopened? And the Ambassador Hotel was demolished in 2005/2006, nearly 40 years after RFK's assassination. Not exactly fast in my book. Incidentally, the book depository from JFK's murder is still standing to this day; did the conspirators forget about that one? 2A00:23C7:99A4:5000:94ED:6AF6:618D:5A47 (talk) 05:10, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

This is all nonsense. It is well known that Sirhan Sirhan had plenty of motive for killing RFK and wrote about it in his diary. And WTC, Sandy Hook (both of which are well understood and not "suspicious") etc. have nothing whatsoever to do with this page. 2600:8802:571B:E00:8945:7749:7A14:4CB3 (talk) 13:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

releases

Some of these things are now declassified. News is coming out. 2nd gunman has now been confirmed I think. Endercase (talk) 02:24, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

No. 2600:8802:571B:E00:8945:7749:7A14:4CB3 (talk) 13:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Bullet count section doesn't make sense.

"Sirhan's... revolver contained eight rounds, which were all fired... Three bullets hit Kennedy; The five bullets that hit the other five victims stayed in their bodies"

So this accounts for all eight bullets, but then the section says: leaving two bullets that would have been lodged in the room itself. Last time I checked 5 plus 3 is 8, why does it say leaving 2 extra that should have been present? Even if its talking about holes not the round count, then we are looking at one bullet that should have been present given 8 shots with one pass through. Sephiroth storm (talk) 10:35, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that too. If two lodged in Kennedy, and five in the other victims, that only leaves one round unaccounted for: Kennedy's pass-through shot. Other points made in this section indicate more bullets, and a supposed "ricochet" accounting for two holes itself. When positing "conspiracy theories," being so vague about something as critical as # of shots fired does not engender confidence. In fact, it suggests an actual conspiracy. It's not like it happened in Dealey Plaza or something. Bullet-count should be easy-peasy. Jororo05 (talk) 03:10, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Umm....Bullet holes and bullets are not the same thing. TheScotch (talk) 01:39, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, this entire account is super confusing. Reading the cited source doesn't help - indeed, it appears to contradict the claim that all five bullets which hit the other victims remained lodged in their bodies, saying that the bullet that hit Schrader "bounced off" his forehead. It also doesn't seem to support various other of the claims made in this section: it doesn't say anything about what happened to the bullets that hit the four other victims aside from RFK and Schrader; it doesn't mention bullet holes in the foam ceiling; it doesn't mention that the LAPD concluded that bullets hit the ceiling before richocheting to his a person; it doesn't mention Martin Patrusky or his claim that he was told that two bullets had been removed from the doorframe (indeed it doesn't mention any claim that bullets were removed from the doorframe); it says that the doorframes were destroyed after the trial but doesn't attribute that to the LAPD and doesn't mention the ceiling tiles in connection with this! Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 14:23, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

I've taken the axe to some of the stuff which was completely unsupported by the cited source, but more work is still needed. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 14:45, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Danny Curtin put rosaries in RFKs hand and said rites of contrition. He told me. See photos

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf-p4Jw-VIhHWYHgNE0ZOxso7rHSX7RHs

Danny Curtin put rosaries in RFKs hand and said rites of contrition. He told me. See photos 2601:601:9700:BF30:70B9:81AE:5EBD:DF08 (talk) 20:39, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

That's not relevant to this article. 2600:8802:571B:E00:8945:7749:7A14:4CB3 (talk) 14:00, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

A question that needs to be addressed

RFK wasn't supposed to exit through the pantry, so how did Sirhan Sirhan know to wait for him there? 2601:183:4103:8290:2C64:B336:8305:1DAF (talk) 07:55, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

My understanding is that Sirhan Sirhan had scouted out the hotel a few days before and was mulling about the night of the assassination asking people about RFK's whereabouts and if he would be passing through various places. For example, in the pantry area he asked a couple kitchen workers if RFK would be passing through after his speech, and he even watched RFK pass by on his way to the Embassy Ballroom. It was fortuitous for Sirhan Sirhan that RFK decided to return through the pantry again en route to an impromptu news conference in the Colonial Room, but it is not surprising that Sirhan Sirhan encountered him again as he had been working all evening to place himself in proximity of RFK. -Location (talk) 16:41, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

This isn't a blog, and is not the place to address such questions. We report what reliable sources say. 2600:8802:571B:E00:8945:7749:7A14:4CB3 (talk) 14:03, 20 November 2023 (UTC)