Talk:Ronald Firbank

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This article contains multiple unsupported POV statements, praising the subject Bwithh 23:49, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see it. Any critical work on an author must include some estimate of "reader response," of how the author has been received. I'm sorry, Bwithh, but I don't think you really get NPOV if you think this article fails the test. NPOV was not meant to reduce an article to a collection of names and dates. Wikipedia would be so eviscerated as to be useless. Peace, GJL 8/9/06

I'm not sure about this article's statement that "The Princess Zoubaroff" is Firbank's only play. The 1994 edition of his complete plays also contains "The Mauve Tower" and "A Disciple from the Country".

TJO

8 September 2006

'The Mauve Tower and 'a Disciple from the Country' are both in print: in Ronald Firbank: Complete Plays, ed. with intro. by Steven Moore, pub. Dalkey Archive Press, Illinois State Uni., 1994.

November 10, 2015

Norman Rose's biography of Harold Nicolson (p. 149, Pimlico, 2006) suggests that Firbank was the basis for Lambert Orme in Nicolson's "Some People." Rose describes Firbank as a "novelist, dandy and homosexual."

DLKlumpp@aol.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:145:4003:C32A:D0A9:B887:D5AE:5003 (talk) 16:38, 10 November 2015 (UTC) 2601:145:4003:C32A:D0A9:B887:D5AE:5003 (talk) 23:26, 11 November 2015 (UTC)D.L. Klumpp[reply]

Gay?[edit]

He wrote on gay themes and it might be assumed he was gay himself. He's categorised as a gay writer, but there's nothing in the article about his private life at all. We need something to support the category. -- Jack of Oz (Talk) 23:35, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've put in 'gay, shy & alcoholic'. It's all in Prancing Novelist, etc. Rothorpe (talk) 22:18, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the change.

But telling us it's all in Prancing Novelist, etc is equivalent to expecting our readers to read all our sources, in order to discover a basic fact about him like "He was gay". This article is supposed to be doing that work. The sources are for extra detail and are there for those who want to delve deeper into the subject's life, background etc. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 23:09, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Have you looked in External links? Rothorpe (talk) 23:49, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I presume you mean "Ronald Firbank on glbtq.com". That is at best a code, not unlike "he never married but left his entire estate to his long-time companion George". You've solved the problem now, but it definitely needed that explicit, unambiguous statement to be there.

I've often noticed a reluctance to come right out with it in articles about gay people. We're more than happy to append any number of LGBT categories, but in the article proper it's sometimes just too hard to write "He was gay" or words to that effect. Why is this a problem? What is there to hide, or be coy about? -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 23:59, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, 'openly gay' is an exact quote from the Find a Grave link. Anyway, glad you like my changes. You're right, it needed to be explicit. Rothorpe (talk) 00:10, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]