Talk:Ros Serey Sothea

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If there isn't any objection I would like to move this to Ros Serey Sothear as Ros Sereysothea is incorrect. Evidence to support this motion comes from a surviving cover by Chanchhaya a record label of the period. The image can be viewed at this link: http://www.radiodiffusion.net/covers/102RosSereysothea.jpg LionheartPnshmnt (talk) 23:35, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Also the upper part of this biography contradicts the reference and a recent interview with Sothea's two surviving elder sister (which can be viewed on Youtube). I don't ever believe there was a Serey-Sothea duo who performed traditional Khmer songs who went down to Phnom Penh by themselves. The problem with Ros Serey Sothear's life is there is a lot of speculation especially surrounding her fate. I'm trying to locate a book in Khmer by Seng Dara that gives a very credible account of Sothear's life which matches the information given by her surviving sisters in an interview on Youtube. I'll be doing some massive editing of this article in a few days. LionheartPnshmnt (talk) 19:42, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

birth

Was she born in 1946 (as written first) or 1948 ?

--Laurentleap (talk) 12:04, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Her surviving sisters said in the interview that she was born in 1948. I'm more inclined to believe them since no surviving documents have survived or surfaced. Also I noticed someone else says she started her career in 1962, but 1967 is where she officially set of to Phnom Penh to become a singer.

LionheartPnshmnt (talk) 05:58, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Title

Sorry, I don't know how to interfere in a talk: I've noticed a mistranslation: " She is recognized as a national treasure and was honored by King Norodom Sihanouk with the royal title of "Preah Reich Theany Somlang Meas", the "Golden Voice of the Royal Capital"." → There was a confusion and a complete misunderstanding, hence a mistranslation in the article of the Phnom Penh Post. Actually, the title she was bestowed upon is Reachiny Somnieng Meas (រាជិនី​សំនៀង​មាស / in scientific transliteration: Rājinī Saṃnīeṅ Mās) which would translate as "Golden Voice Queen," nothing to do with Reachatheany (រាជធានី / : Rājadhānī), meaning "capital of a kingdom." Moreover, in 1969, which, according to the Khmer page on Wikipedia, is the year she was granted this title, Sihanouk was no more king, but head of State. See for instance (in Khmer): https://kohsantepheapdaily.com.kh/article/114559.html ឫទ្ធី (talk) 04:37, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

I am newly interested in Serey Sothea and just noticed this very old comment. If the the above person is a native Khmer speaker we can assume that he/she is correct on the translation. The only problem is that many people apparently still call Serey Sothea both "Queen with the Golden Voice" and "Golden Voice of the Royal Capital" even if one or both are mis-translations. So these have become multiple notable nicknames for her. I will try to straighten this out in the article. DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:18, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@Doomsdayer520: Thanks for updating. This article is on my "get to it someday" list that gets bigger by the year. :) Do you speak/read any Khmer? I saw that you also edited the Pan Ron article. My introduction to this music was as a westerner stumbling across the Cambodian Rocks compilation, so I started that article and the one on Yol Aularong. My hope is that if you can access Khmer-language sources, you may be able to find more on Aularong than I could... — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 02:31, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. I am not a Khmer speaker, just an American with an interest. I have been a fan of Dengue Fever for a few years and that's how I learned of the existence of the 60s/70s Cambodian rock scene. I did not get into the topic in detail until just a few months ago when I decided to buy the Cambodian Rocks compilation and the Don't Think I've Forgotten DVD. In just the past two months I have become quite obsessed with the music and have collected more than 100 songs. So I started to read the Wikipedia articles on the big players, and fixed up the Pan Ron article simply because the grammar needed help. I can do the same for Sothea's article here. I'm happy to see your article on Yol Aularong. I will definitely help spruce up the various articles, especially in terms of grammar and narrative flow. But I am not Cambodian so I don't think I can do much in terms of digging up additional material. In any case, these musicians deserve to be fully commemorated here and I will do my part. DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 22:47, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Dengue Fever is great. Escape from Dragon House was definitely one of the albums I listened to most 8-10 years ago, though I can't say I've watched them much since then. Probably time to revisit. When I started the Aularong article I also looked for sources about Liev Tuk from the Cambodian Rocks album, but failed to find anything of substance. I suspect there may be enough for an article about Meas Samon, but I'm not sure. Certainly Sereysothea, Pan Ron, and Sinn Sisamouth have a whole lot more material that could be built in. Anyway, ping me if you want someone else to look for sources or help with one of these articles. Garagepunk66 has also expressed interest in this music in the past. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 00:14, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Rhodo: I have seen Liev Tuk credited as Liv Tuk and Lieu Thaert in various places. There is also someone out there called Ly Tek which is suspiciously similar. Those may lead you to some more tidbits of info, though the gentleman is quite mysterious across the board. DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 19:38, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

I saw Don't Think I've Forgotten at a local theater and was blown away. From that movie I learned about Yol Aularong and all of the incredible musicians in Cambodia during the 1960s and 70s. It is sad that so many of them were tortured and killed during Pol Pot's rule. I'll have to check out Dengue Fever. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:22, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

I do speak and read Khmer and I can say that as far as online sources go, we are more likely to find reliable information in English or French; at least, that's the conclusion I came to a few years ago when I looked for sources for both this article and Sinn Sisamouth. Maybe there's more available now, but I tend to doubt that; modern Khmer popular culture is all about the young "stars" of this generation. There are probably obscure printed sources available locally in Cambodia, but most of the online stuff in Khmer is either gossip/speculation or commercial CD/DVD/Karaoke sites. I'm sure there were, once-upon-a-time, more reliable Khmer sources but stuff from that time period is either not available online or was just destroyed/lost during the war. The Khmer Wikipedia article about Ros Sereysothea (រស់ សេរីសុទ្ធា) is a featured article, but doesn't cite a single source(!), so it isn't much help either. I don't edit as much as I used to, but I will chime in with some sources if I ever come across any.--William Thweatt ^TalkContribs 03:19, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Everyone

It's nice to see a small community of people interested in this topic. I'm a newly-minted fanatic for 60s Cambodian rock and I do alot of WP editing, so I am compelled to help develop these articles. It's my little tribute to talented people who suffered and died needlessly at the hands of evil. ------ Of course we will have trouble digging up reliable info. Due to the cruelties of history, someone like Liev Tuk will have to remain an enigma to interested listeners. We may he able to cobble something together for Meas Samon. Also note that WP currently has a very thin article on singer Huoy Meas, who is not on Cambodian Rocks but she' s a major presence in the Don't Think I've Forgotten movie. DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 19:53, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Influence

A sample of her classic song Kaun Komsott was used in rap song "Books of war" by MF DOOM and several high profile rappers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.148.251.0 (talk) 12:20, 22 December 2023 (UTC)