Talk:Rose Morat

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Untitled[edit]

While I feel a little guilty putting this up for deletion, Wikipedia is not a noticeboard. Rose Morat's notability is limited and unlikely to survive more than month. --Pig^man_dialogue 18:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mrs. Morat may have done something many before her have failed to do. She seems to have brought the people of New York City together. Opinions in the city have been galvanized, in their universal condemnation. Not since September 11 has such a thing happen, therefore Rose Morat is a noteworthy member of our society.

Please let me add this to the article, and let it live.Alderkline 19:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While I tend to agree with Pigman, notability is asserted, so this is not speediable. It should go through the regular deletion discussion process if it's to be deleted. I should note that the assertion of notability is not in neutral point-of-view. Shimeru 19:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comments, and the chance to let this article live. This is my first contribution to wiki, so I am still learning the quality standards. I will expand or correct the assertion of notability. I truly believe Mrs. Morat or her victimization has resulted in a rare, but refreshing, sense of coming together in NYC. People will not forget what she did. Alderkline 19:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia, then, and please don't take the nomination personally. You may be right; the story has attracted a lot of attention and coverage. The question is whether it will be sustained enough to be of encyclopedic interest. It's probably simply too early to determine that. One thing comes to mind, though; I recall reading that, as a result of this incident, a law was proposed in New York increasing the sentence for crimes (or perhaps only assaults; I'm not sure) committed against those over 70. If that should pass, we may have a situation similar to Megan Kanka, whose death inspired Megan's Law. Shimeru 19:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will add a comment regarding the proposed new law. I think it will substantiate her notability.Alderkline 20:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just cleaned up the article. I hope this meets Wiki's quality standard.Alderkline 21:20, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do Not Delete[edit]

Wikipedia has not emerged from the recent Deletion Police stage? I thought it had. Anyway, in March 2008, following the murders of two female college students, one the president of UNC, the Rose Morat case has been back in the news. How to report on cases which inflame public sensibilities about race? I know I've seen it cited in Urban Studies contexts too. Like Kitty Genovese and "The Jogger," the videotaped beating of a 100 + year old woman with apparent impunity may mark a stage in New York City history. Within academia it is notable.

But the article badly needs to be continued. How was the case resolved? Profhum (talk) 00:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Birthdate?[edit]

Does anyone know where the alleged birthdate of Apr 8 1906 came from? Wouldn't that make her '100'? I've heard she was born in Feb. 1906.68.211.180.40 01:19, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Viciously" attacked[edit]

Do we have any evidence that she was "viciously" attacked? Seriously attacked, maybe. But "viciously" is a characterization which looks into the mind of the attacker, and I think goes beyond the evidence that's available publicly. I don't think it's right for an encyclopedia article. I'll leave it, but if anyone else agrees, I suggest deleting it. omc (talk) 18:26, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Certain Corrections[edit]

1)Rose Marie Morat was born on February 4th, 1906. The perpetrator of the crime, Jack Rhodes, was tried under the New York State Hate Crimes Act of 2000 based on the age and condition of his victims. Mr. Rhodes, under the guise of opening the door to the vestibule to Ms. Morat's own apartment, smiled kindly at her, then as soon as she turned her back VICIOUSLY attacked her. This is evidenced in the fully publicized video of the attack. The link to the video is here. Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17557851/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/video-captures-man-mugging--year-old-lady/#.UhT4q5K1F8ECite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).. As a direct result of this attack, NYS passed what has become known as 'Granny's Law' in May of 2008. Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).http://www.nysenate.gov/news/governor-signs-grannys-law-legislationCite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).. Here is the text of the post from the NYS Senate announcing that Governor Paterson had signed the bill into law. "Governor Signs Granny's Law Legislation

Posted by Martin J. Golden on Tuesday, May 13th, 2008 GOVERNOR PATERSON SIGNS LEGISLATION TO INCREASE PENALTIES FOR ASSAULT ON THE ELDERLY Governor David A. Paterson today announced the signing of legislation to help curb predatory attacks on New York's elderly. Governor Paterson was joined for the bill signing at St. Margaret’s House on Fulton Street by Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver and several members of the State Legislature, which overwhelmingly approved the legislation. The law, known as "Granny’s Law," was sparked in part by last year’s brutal beatings of 101-year-old Rose Morat and 85-year-old Solange Elizee of Queens. If an assailant is 10 years younger than a victim, the bill will increase the penalty for assaulting a person 65 years or older from a class A misdemeanor to second-degree assault – a class D violent felony that is punishable by up to seven years in prison.. "It is unconscionable that anyone would assault a senior citizen, but we continue to witness these disturbing acts of violence," said Governor Paterson. "I am pleased that my colleagues in the Legislature worked together to pass this legislation, and that this bill provides a measure of safety for our elderly." Senator Martin Golden, the bill’s lead Senate sponsor, said: "Millions of New Yorkers were outraged by the despicable and cowardly attacks against Rose Morat and Solange Elizee. A person capable attacking the elderly is not simply a mugger – they are a dangerous menace to society who should be kept behind bars for as long as possible. The bottom line is that anyone who physically attacks a senior citizen should be severely punished, and that’s why the additional penalties provided for by this law are very much needed." Under current law, an intentional assault that causes physical injury to the victim constitutes third-degree assault, a class A misdemeanor punishable by up to one year in jail. The charge is elevated to second-degree assault if there are certain aggravating factors, such as intentionally causing "serious" physical injury, intentionally causing physical injury with a deadly weapon, or causing injury to particular types of victims (i.e. police or peace officers, students, or teachers) who are more likely to be targeted by criminals. Senate Majority Leader Joseph L. Bruno, said: "Last year, 101-year-old Rose Morat and 85-year-old Solange Elizee were brutally attacked within a half-hour of each other, and New Yorkers were outraged by the cowardly, despicable act. As elected officials, our biggest responsibility is protecting our most vulnerable citizens, and I’d like to commend Senators Golden, Maltese, and Padavan for their tireless dedication in getting this legislation passed and signed into law today. It’s truly horrendous when criminals seek out and assault the elderly -- with this law, we are ensuring they will be properly punished."