Talk:Royal necropolis of Ayaa

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Did you know... that the royal necropolis of Ayaa in Sidon, Lebanon, was accidentally discovered in the late 19th century by a workman who stumbled upon a shaft and chamber tomb while quarrying for stone?

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Hi Elias Ziade, I just started writing this same article, as I have been reading about it again in the context of the second Egyptian sarcophagus. I only noticed this when I saw it linked to one of the images I was going to use. Do you mind if I edit your draft?

Onceinawhile (talk) 09:54, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Onceinawhile No please go ahead and edit away! el.ziade (talkallam) 12:22, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Elias Ziade, do you remember where the number "21 sarcophagi" came from in the first paragraph? I am looking for the original sources so we can count all 21 of them. I have seen it in Joubin (1893): "Après la découverte que nous fîmes en 1887-88 à Saïda de vingt et un sarcophages".

We only have 18 mentioned on this page, so we are missing three. I wonder whether they were from Ayaa, or perhaps from nearby locations (particularly Baramie). Onceinawhile (talk) 17:14, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Elias Ziade: any objection to moving this into the mainspace? A couple more minor changes and I think it is ready. More detail can then be added subsequently. Onceinawhile (talk) 11:42, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And how about a DYK hook along the lines of:

…that the discovery of a necropolis in Lebanon was the reason for the construction of the main building of the Istanbul Archaeology Museums?

The alternate would be something like “…that significant ancient Egyptian, Phoenician, Lycian and Greek sarcophagi were found together in Sidon”. This fact is almost as amazing to me as Stelae of Nahr el-Kalb; the area really was the crossroads of the ancient world.

Onceinawhile (talk) 14:27, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Onceinawhile hey buddy I’m back now. phenomenal work you did here! I’m in disbelief! Will go through it in the couple few days and will suggest a few DYK hooks and move to main space. el.ziade (talkallam) 17:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Location[edit]

See: https://lilmadinainitiative.wordpress.com/2015/04/10/عندما-أصبحت-صيدا-مركز-اهتمام-السلطنة-ا/ for a map of the modern location. Onceinawhile (talk) 09:57, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Images[edit]

See two new categories of images:

Commons:Category:Une nécropole royale à Sidon

Commons:Category:Excavation of the royal necropolis of Ayaa

Onceinawhile (talk) 10:13, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Museum[edit]

The discovery of the necropolis was the reason for the building of the main building of the Istanbul Archaeology Museums. I see you were on the edge of writing this with the section "Commissioning of the Museum".

I will put some sources here:

Joubin, André [in French] (1893). Catalogue sommaire [des] monuments funéraires [du] Musée Imperial Ottoman (in French). Mihran imprimeur. THIS IS THE NEW MUSEUM'S FIRST LIST OF CONTENTS - MANY FROM AYAA.
Mendel, Gustave [in French] (1912). Musées impériaux ottomans. Catalogue des sculptures grecques, romaines et byzantines. [135 photogr. illustrating the catalogue. With 72 photogr. of other exhibits] (in French). En vente au Musée Impérial. THIS IS VERY DETAILED, PERHAPS THE MOST DETAILED SOURCE WE HAVE
https://muze.gov.tr/s3/MysFileLibrary/d14b95a9-a09c-4b57-9fc7-ef690fb7d9a6.pdf MODERN PLAN OF THE MUSEUM
Agency, Anadolu (2023-07-12). "Istanbul Archaeological Museums illuminate rich history, cultural legacy". Daily Sabah. Retrieved 2023-08-21.
Çelik, Zeynep (2016). About Antiquities: Politics of Archaeology in the Ottoman Empire. University of Texas Press. ISBN 978-1-4773-1061-8.
Shaw, Wendy M.K. (2003). Possessors and Possessed: Museums, Archaeology, and the Visualization of History in the Late Ottoman Empire. An Ahmanson-Murphy fine arts book. University of California Press. ISBN 978-0-520-23335-5.

Onceinawhile (talk) 10:17, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Notes (bringing in from draft)[edit]

Renan, other hypogeums

Biblical historians and archaeologists, Hester Stanhope - Renan -

Foothills hillside plains

LXIV Renan plances and

Mugharet Abloun >> Eshmunazar 1855 [15]

Médéah ou Mékhédeh which is the same as Bostan el Magara(LXVI)[36]

Three caves east of sayda [15]

Until the time of the necropolis discovery

Bostan el Hamod is out - 1896 (Macridy)

Dahr el ʿaouq shaft and chamber tomb between the towns of Bramieh and Hlaliye - 1898 Macridy 557-558

Children Burial site of Harah Macridy 560

Magharet Abloun and its surroundings 561- (miye w miyye - ahmad assirani land - bramiyeh

Tyr tell el Rachediyeh

The plot sitting west of where the is called

Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 20:10, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Plan of the Ayaa Necropolis

... that the main building of the Istanbul Archaeology Museums was built to house a large collection of royal sarcophagi, all found in a small necropolis in Lebanon? Source: Shaw 2003, p. 157
- ALT1: ... that the royal necropolis of Ayaa in Sidon, Lebanon, was accidentally discovered in the late 19th century by a workman who stumbled upon a shaft and chamber tomb while quarrying for stone? Source: Hamdy Bey & Reinach 1892a, p. I.
- ALT2: ... that the Alexander Sarcophagus, found in the royal necropolis of Ayaa, is a renowned masterpiece of ancient art featuring exceptional bas-reliefs and preserved polychrome paint? Source: Hamdy Bey & Reinach 1892a, p. 8.
- ALT3: ... that the excavation of Hypogeum A of the royal necropolis of Ayaa included the opening of seven burial chambers, all containing at least one sarcophagus? Source: Hamdy Bey & Reinach 1892a, p. II.
- ALT4: ... that the discovery of the royal necropolis of Ayaa in Sidon, Lebanon, contributed to the establishment of the Istanbul Archaeology Museum, which now houses the famous Alexander Sarcophagus as one of its most prized collections? Source: Shaw 2003, p. 157
- Reviewed: Hove Library
- Comment:

Created by Elias Ziade (talk) and Onceinawhile (talk). Nominated by Elias Ziade (talk) at 10:08, 15 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Royal necropolis of Ayaa; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Date, length, hook ok. No plagiarism found. Image free on Commons. I prefer ALT1 hook. --Soman (talk) 13:23, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]