Talk:Russian State (1918–1920)

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Requested move 18 January 2021[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 00:57, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Russian State (1918–1920) → Russian State – Including the years of its existence seems like an unnecessary disambiguation, especially seeing as the proposed new title "Russian State" currently redirects to the page anyway. Grnrchst (talk) 17:09, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:26, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Grnrchst: Down the centuries there have been several countries and similar more or less describable as a Russian state. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Right, but only this one used the term 'Russian State' (Russian: Российское государство) as it's official name. While there have been many Russian states that have existed over time, these have been called the 'Russian Tsardom' (Russian: Русское царство), the 'Russian Empire' (Russian: Российская Империя), the Russian Republic (Russian: Российская Республика), the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (Russian: Российская Советская Федеративная Социалистическая Республика) and the Russian Federation (Russian: Российская Федерация). So yes, while there were many Russian states, there was only one called the Russian State. (Just as there have been many Spanish states, but only one was officially called the Spanish State)--Grnrchst (talk) 22:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

oppose. Too ambiguous. “State” does not necessarily preclude the kingdoms and empires. Translation and nuance is a large part of the problem. PRIMARYREDIRECT assignments have a much lower threshold than a title decision. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:00, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You could say the same about the title 'Russian Republic', which doesn't necessarily preclude the RSFSR, the Russian Federation or even the Russian State. That's a fair point about the issues of translation and nuance though.--Grnrchst (talk) 22:22, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would indeed say that. "Russian Republic" is easily read as and assumed to be a contraction of "Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic". I would re-title Russian Federation to Russian Federation (1917). --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:11, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per SmokeyJoe, and also per SmokeyJoe, the Russian Federation and Russian Republic articles should be moved; the current Russia is clearly the primary topic for all three of these base terms. -- 70.31.205.108 (talk) 01:58, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.