Talk:Said-Magomed Kakiyev

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A fact from Said-Magomed Kakiyev appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 4 June 2006. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Chechen military commander Said-Magomed Kakiev has been declared a Hero of the Russian Federation four times, making him one of the most decorated Russian citizens?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2006/June.

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Dagestanskaya[edit]

The original version of the Dagestanskaya (87 dead, including civilians), was based on the English Pravda version of the interview: "The “spirits” in turn shot everyone to death in the house, including 30 of our troops. They later burned and immured them in the basement." [| (page 2)]

Now, that translation obviously deviates in a big way from the original in Utro: "А 'духи' расстреляли в этом доме 30 наших бойцов, сожгли их тела и замуровали в подвале." [[1]]

So Kakiev did indeed only mean his guys. So what happened to 57-56 civilians? Yakub Deniev of course, survived (five years later he was kidnapped in Moscow), but his youngest brother (called ... Said Magomed) did not. But, of course, although probably a civilian, he may have been killed before the deal was struck. [[2]]

User_talk:Pan_Gerwazy--pgp 23:14, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The accusation[edit]

If the text quoted in the link is a correct translation, we have a problem. The problem with the accusation of abductions between the two wars is, eh, rather simple: Ruslan Labazanov was killed before the end of the First War. Note that even this text does not claim Kakiev participated in abductions, so the passage claiming so will have to go (see the notices on this page - it is a biography). Of course, Kakiev was fighting alongside Labazanov (in 1993). The "various crimes and terrorism" charge was by Maskhadov. Terrorism, because he had tried to kill Dudayev, and his most vicious crime was his claim about Dagestanskaya - which was later proven true, as the bodies were later found in a wall that was to be taken away. --Pan Gerwazy 21:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Since I have received no answer to my almost 2 year old remark on the obvious impossibility of Kakiyev working for or with Labazanov in this way (I think the source for this simply got the dates wrong, and perhaps yes they knew each other - the fact that Kakiyev went to Alma Ata when Labazanov had earlier connections there is "funny"). If someone wants to add that in the eyes of Ichkeria and/or Georgia, this guy is a terrorist, no problem, but this goes, under BLP concerns. --Paul Pieniezny (talk) 15:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any sources for Kakiev receiving four Hero of Russia stars??[edit]

Please provide sources for such a claim of exceptional scale! I suspect original research as usual.Vlad fedorov 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I guess the source is Pravda.ru [3]

It is written that he is four-time hero of Russian, and not four stars hero. Original research is deleted from the article. Vlad fedorov 15:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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