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Roman salute

There seems to be a lot of discussion on the web disputing the nature of the Roman salute. Is the material in the article accurate? Robert P. O'Shea 02:14, 2005 Mar 9 (UTC)

Could anybody please add to the Roman salute that it is called the "Hitlergruß" (Hitler's salute) in german and is absolutely prohibited in Germany? - Erwin Schlonz 17:28, 2005 Oct 14 (UTC)


Re military salutes...in the US Air Force (at least in 1984 when I served), the salute was taught with the palm turned toward the saluter...kinda the reverse of the Brit salute. In practice, tho, no one ever called you on it in the field.

In the National Guard you don't salute at all, since you're considered to be in the field and don't want to identify the command structure.

The National Guard are always in the field? What about the times when they're not? -- Necrothesp 12:30, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

When we were on duty, either on weekend drills or "summer camp," we were always considered to be "in the field", regardless of if we were actually deployed or not.

Spock

Leonard Nimoy based this salute on a Jewish gesture in which the hand approximates the shape of the Hebrew letter shin, the first letter in Shaddai, a name for the Almighty.

Could someone find a source for this? --SpencerTC 20:22, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, user found a ref and replaced the text. --SpencerTC 20:29, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

"۩" redirection

For some reason the Arabic character "۩" (Place of sajdah) redirects to this page, does anyone why? It might have been mistaken with salat.(I'm by no means a expert) --Johnny 0 18:32, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

replacement heading

I think the last 3 paragraphs of subsection 2.1 titled “Hand Salutes” under the Section titled “Military Salutes” are out of place: The 5th paragraph about Roman salutes is redundant of Section 1.1, and the 6th and 7th relate to civilian, rather than military salutes. - Mangcha 17:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


Added to salutes in fiction an additional salute used in Red Dwarf. --Tarpy 19:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Someone added "(Korean hapchung)" to the "to do" list, but I can't find that term anywhere. What is a hapchung?

Sorry -- did this from memory, and maybe memory was wrong :-). This is the "palm-to-palm at chest level" greeting also popular in India (and danged if I can remember the Hindi (?) word either). Anyone?
Here - http://bul-weon.net/tongmyeong/Gates/ Transliterated as "Hap-ch'ang". Thanks.  :-)
Hmm, also "Hapjang" here - http://www.bulguksa.or.kr/bulguksa/html_english/284.htm


In reference to:

The Chinese term (calling the Unicode insertion person!) ke tou, literally "bump head," which spelled "kowtow" in English, refers to the act of deep respect shown by bowing so low as to touch the head to the ground.

I'm not sure if this is in fact the origin of the term, but the Mandarin 叩倒 (kou4 dao3) seems to fit, and the dictionaries I check seem to think it came from the Mandarin. "Ke tou" seems more like a Japanese rendering. --LDC

Thanks! I'll use it, and if some Mandarin notices and thinks we're foreign devil idiots, he can fix it!
I changed it. The Mandarin term for kow tow is ke tou (touching head). Roadrunner 04:46, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
For the New Age and anti-Judeo-Christian audience, he of course means foreign "negative energy force" idiots. :)

The text now says:

In the United States military all personnel are required to initiate a salute to a Medal of Honor recipient, regardless of rank. Thus a general must salute a private if the private has the Medal of Honor.

The verb must is directly contradicts the statement on the Medal of Honor page:

Traditionally, even higher ranking officers in the US military initiate the salute, no matter how low the rank of the recipient, many of them enlisted personnel. Contrary to popular opinion, however, no regulation exists requiring this courtesy.

Which is correct? (Please edit the other one.) --Adhemar

I have corrected this error. --the Epopt 16:40, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Call for research: in the Jackie Chan movie Shanghai Noon, Chinese palace guards perform a bow in which they flip their long sleeves down to cover their hands, drop to one knee, and place one fist on the floor while bowing their heads. Jackie Chan movies are, of course, an excellent primary source of cultural information as well as martial arts training ;-> but I was wondering if someone could confirm this observation from another source. --the Epopt

It's possible that this is an obscure Imperial Chinese thing, but its certainly nothing that is used in current Chinese society. Also I added some information about the Taiwan swearing-in salute. There are a lot of pictures of Chen Shuibian making a Nazi-like salute today as he is being sworn in. While I dislike Chen Shuibian, it is worth pointing out that this sort of swearing in salute is pretty standard on Taiwan, and its not a sign of Nazism.
As far as I know this salute is not used on the Mainland. It has a military/Chiang Kai-shekish feel to it.

Roadrunner 04:46, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

Here is a picture of CSB making the Roman salute.

http://straitstimes.asia1.com/mnt/media/image/launched/2004-05-20/chen.jpg

V for Vendetta?

I've tagged the statement "Posters for the 2005 film V For Vendetta featured actress Natalie Portman in a salute of both hands in fists with knuckles touching." as "dubious," since I can't find any such image. I'll remove the statement in a few days unless someone can cite it — in which case I'll happily apologize. ➥the Epopt 13:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


Thailand greeting?

The greeting used in Thailand is mentioned in two places with slightly different descriptions. Which is correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.129.251.22 (talk) 12:32, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Mixed military salutes?

What are the rules when working with foreign militaries, or other branches of your own military (in the US)? Is there a NATO or UN standard? Identity0 09:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Rendering respect to an officer is not dependent on nationality...a US soldier would render a salute to a foreign officer as readily as he would a US one...the trick is recognizing the rank! I remember one time a few of us saluted someone we thought was a 1st Lt (rank insignia, 1 silver bar)...turned out he was actually a Saudi training at our base and his rank insignia actually meant he was an enlisted man!
Then there was during Basic Training....at the time, Air Force Master Sgts, Sr. Masters, and Chief Masters had the open of wearing their rank on shoulder boards when in their blues....the problem was, from a distance, they looked like officer's boards -- especially if you were a trainee! A lot of upper enlisted got saluted by trainees (I know I did it a couple of times)

In the USAF sometimes at training bases where officers are visiting, they'll wear a leather "tongue" "tape" that hangs down from their left shirt pocket. They'll pin the American equivalent rank to this so you'll know if you need to salute them or not. Now that I'm stationed at CENTCOM where the Brits, Aussies and lots of other foreign military work, they've done away with saluting or wearing covers (hats) altogether within the CENTCOM general area. I saw an E2 walk by a full bird colonel with a nod the other day and sort of tweaked at how strange it was. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.99.101.158 (talk) 14:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Kungfu salute

Is there a name for the kungfu salute of presenting a fist wrapped in a palm?

It's name is zuoyi(in Mandarin Chinese:作揖) or yi in short ,and there is no such a thing in the world named martial art salute. The author, I don't know who, should not just make up a word and put it in an encyclopedia.
YI is a very old kind of saluting gesture, which was got popular and formal in China since Zhou Dynasty -- more than 2,500 year ago. The gesture means to give precedence out of courtesy (move fisted hands forwards), and the counter part, pull the hands backwards toward the chest,was called ye(厭)，which was used by the salute acceptor to greet back.Blankego (talk) 10:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

The tight distinction between civilian and military salutes given on the page seems problematic. My understanding is that the clenched-fist salute originated among Republican and International Brigade forces during the Spanish Civil War. On the other hand, was the Nazi salute used purely by the military, or also by Nazi party members and supporters? Also, if the Roman salute was used by American civilians to salute their flag, it isn't entirely a military affair. Are the Taiwanese office-holders who use the Roman salute today military office-holders only or political/civilian?

The Nazi salute wasn't often used by the military at all. They continued to use the normal salute except when it would have been unwise to do so. So yes, the Nazi salute was used by civilians and Nazi organisations. -- Necrothesp 13:03, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Is that Kowtow ?

The alledged brevity of kowtow picture wasn't kowtow at all. It's actually daqian(piyin 打千）, it maybe a manchu origined salute, i'm not sure,though, it's definitely not kowtow. It's really annoying, that someone keeps trying hard to explain something he/she don't know nothing about it, especially in a pedia-like page.Blankego (talk) 11:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Would it be worth mentioning...

In the US Army manual section, that it is proper to (when stationed overseas) to "Salute all Officers, both foreign and domestic."? I'm not sure about the Army exactly, but such is required in the Air Force. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.33.24.131 (talk) 15:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

I also am looking for information on how the various military hand salutes are executed. The French military use an open hand facing outwords, maybe British as well. The US uses the hand in a parallel to cap or ground fasion nearly touching the corner of the cap or corner of the eye. I am amazed to see in movies idiot actors with the hand fully over the eye brow as that is more an insult than a correct salute, yet it happens. During WWII war propaganda films salutes came in all kinds of flavors. M.A.S.H. also had a variety of salute types. Also worth wondering about is how positioning and/or straightness of the arm, elbow and shoulder must be for a proper salute. Nowhere is this mentioned in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.51.255 (talk) 00:05, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

PLA uses clenched fist salute

Song Zuying's Ai Wo Zhong Hua video shows both civilians and PLA saluting with clenched fist, so its not just a civilian salute. I will wait for a response; failing one, I plan to update the article. --Ancheta Wis (talk) 00:03, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

British Military Salute Inaccuracy

The section on salutes within the British armed forces fails to take into account salutes within the navy whilst confusing the issue with the RAF salute which is the same as the army. Entering into discussion on traditions of raising hats is irrelevant as this tradition never existed with the newest of the forces. This tradition applied only to the Navy better known as the senior service and the oldest of Her Majesty's Armed Forces. Please research and re-write this blatently American and misunderstood article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.253.60 (talk) 04:12, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Commonwealth?

Where it says "In the Commonwealth, only officers are saluted..." which commonwealth is it talking about? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.54.14.38 (talk) 19:18, 23 February 2007 (UTC).

The Commonwealth of Nations, formerly known as the British Commonwealth. I clarified that in the article. PubliusFL 19:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

In the same section it says 'from their respective Commanders-in-chief', this is incorrect since in all cases the Commander-in-chief is HM Queen Elizabeth II, being sovereign over all of the Commonwealth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.229.67 (talk) 20:00, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

According to the Australian Constitution § 68 it is the Governor-General "as the Queen's representative", not the Queen in her own person, who is commander-in-chief of the naval and military forces.

Agemegos (talk) 06:50, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Master and Commander

In the film Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World, they had a scene in which "the men" all gave a junior officer a very odd looking salute, in which it looked they they were "doffing" an imaginary hat. Does any one have information about that? 70.20.232.141 00:10, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

It is a very formal salute, corresponding to raising one's hat in the same way that the usual salute corresponds to tipping it. Agemegos (talk) 07:06, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Fanciful origins

Given that it is well-attested that the origin of modern military saluting is that it is descended from tipping one's hat, should we delete the fanciful explanations in terms of Roman emperors, beautiful queens, and visors in helmets?

What the hell. I'll be bold and do it. Agemegos (talk) 07:17, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Saluting indoors

The article says that it is forbidden to salute indoors. I cannot find out why, but would like to add the reason to the article. Li'l help? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

The reason is that gentlemen don't wear hats indoors (or below decks). Saluting is a survival of the custom of removing (later of raising, and finally of tipping) one's hat as a gesture of respect--and you can't remove, raise, or tip a hat when you aren't wearing one. Which you won't be, indoors. (Note that not every armed service preserves this distinction: Commonwealth services do, and so do the US Navy and USMC. But I think the US Army salutes when bare-headed.) Agemegos (talk) 07:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Just dropping by... That is very interesting and ought to be in the article. If it already is, excuse me. Many thanks for the answer. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:33, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Also, I think it is notable because it answers one of the 5 Ws. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:34, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Actually, it isn't 'forbidden' per se, and in fact there are circumstances where you do salute indoors -- at least so far as the US Army is concerned: if you are reporting to a superior officer, you do salute even when indoors. Also, you do wear headgear indoors whenever you are carrying a loaded weapon (see Military Police). Again, this is US Army SOP, which I am familiar with, but I'd imagine that it would likely be consistent among all US military service branches. In the 3rd US Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard), when ceremonies are done indoors (i.e. inside Ceremonial Hall on Ft. Myer during winter months) all personnel are in headgear as it is considered to be a large enough building that it is considered out-of-doors. Ryecatcher773 (talk) 06:20, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Naval gun salutes

I believe there was considerably more involved in the historic naval tradition of saluting when entering a foreign port (or meeting foreign but non-hostile vessels) than simply firing the guns. The aim was to show that one's own vessel was defenceless, and therefore had peaceful intentions. In the days of muzzle-loading guns, the protocol began by firing all the ship's guns in a harmless direction, one by one, so the shots could be counted. Immediately after firing, the guns were run outboard and left there to show they were not being reloaded. The crew then lined the decks to show that they were not manning the guns or the rigging. The number of guns actually fired was reduced to a symbolic level in the seventeenth century to save the cost of powder and shot, and it all became irrelevant in the nineteenth century when breech-loading guns in turrets appeared.

Now, while I'm sure I've read all this on very good authority, I have no idea where. Can anyone help with a reference? Peter Bell (talk) 06:59, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Saudi Salute

I see no mention of the strange salute used by the Saudi forces. If uncovered and reporting to an officer, the subordinate comes to attention and shrugs shoulders in an exaggerated manner. Other than seeing it a million times, I have no cite. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 07:26, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

The British Army Method (Not RAF or Navy)

"Slowest way up - Fastest way down"......., i.e. From right side of body raise the right hand up slowly and place middle finger next to the eyebrow with hand facing outwards. Hold for 3 seconds then drop the hand quickly back to it's original position. see: Wikipedia item == origin of salute == — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.150.213.22 (talk) 13:16, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Article needs restructuring

I'd argue that this article needs restructuring. It deals with the American military as the default and the discusses 'other' countries' traditions. I'd have thought it more sensible to have a general origins, meaning etc section then deal with the aspects of all countries rather than assuming the American is standard and then noting the others in a couple of sentences. PRDH (talk) 16:19, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

American centric

The article seems to be too American-centric, with the numerous American military pictures. NorthernThunder (talk) 00:48, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

On the contrary, I don't think there's enough of a focus on the US military salutes in this article, although I can understand NorthernThunder's position on the pictures, there isn't a description of the American Military style salutes on the page, save for the brief sentence in the intro describing it's use indoors (or lack there of). We have sub-sections for several other services, but I don't see one that describes the US style, rather the article seems to be written with a bias that assumes the reader knows the particulars of the US style.-Jcwilder (talk) 21:17, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Origin of Salute (Sallet) Action

None of the contributions seem to understand the true origin of the salute action or it's original true purpose. Reference is made to touching the forelock or doffing the hat to acknowledge a superior person, etc. This is wrong. All british military personnel salute a commissioned officer only when hats are worn. This originates from the medieval period when troops wore a "Sallet" or "Slit Helmet", i.e. a metal helmet with a slit for the eyes and usually with a hinge mechanism so that the front part could be raised. During inspection the order "Sallet" would be given and the front of the Sallet (Slit) would be raised so that the inspecting leader could identify the wearer. Thus the origin of the term Salute or Sallet and the reason why the UK forces only salute with hats on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.150.213.22 (talk) 12:57, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

I was looking for such explanation in the article, but it is not even mentioned. It has not been confirmed, apparently, but here are some sources, that mention this origin as plausible: Waydot (talk) 22:56, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
http://www.unl.edu/armyrotc/HandbookChapters/Chapter5.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/od/occp/officership/military_protocol.htm
http://www.qmmuseum.lee.army.mil/history/vignettes/respect1.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waydot (talk • contribs) 22:53, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
Reference to "the medieval period" (ditto "The Middle Ages") is in this context a generalisation so imprecise as to be meaningless. The allusion to the C15th sallet style of helmet is an unconvincing folk etymology. Helmets with movable visors were in evidence much earlier than the C15th but the movable visor came into general use in conjunction with the bascinet style in the 14th century. The later sallet, which was extremely heterogenous in form, was as likely to have fixed eye protection as movable, even if soldiery of the time, either noble or lowly, were likely to be drilled in the manner described, which was not the case. In any case, such an order would surely have been some reference to the moveable part- 'visor', 'beaver' or what-have-you. The word 'Salute' derives from a series of cognate words with Romance roots dealing with wishings of health c.f. Salve/ Salud (c.f. also the parallel Hail/Health)
The references cited are not authoritative.

JF42 (talk) 20:04, 8 April 2013 (UTC)


Yeah, the "Sallet" thing is folk etymology. This may be helpful:

SALUTATIO the name given to one of the forms of attention (officia) expected from clients by their patrons at Rome. The client would wait even before daybreak (cf. Mayor on Juv. 3.127 and 5.19) in the vestibule until the doors of the atrium were opened. There he attended until the patron appeared, and the nomenclator announced the name of the dependent, who brought his morning greeting (ave). The callers were commonly divided into various admissiones, according to their rank and intimacy, and even men of good position found themselves in the number (Juv. 1.100; Sen. de Ben. 6.33). The clients who were invited to do so, accompanied the patron wherever he might be going. Others, after receiving the dole [SPORTULA] at one house, would hurry off to another, to be similarly rewarded there (Mart. 10.74). The name salutatores was used of the clients who earned their living by these attentions. (Cf. Friedländer, Röm. Sitteng. i.6 382 ff.; Becker, Gallus, ii.3 159 if.)
[A.S.W]
A Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities. William Smith, LLD. William Wayte. G. E. Marindin. Albemarle Street, London. John Murray. 1890.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.64.177.173 (talk) 12:03, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Australia and New Zealand

I've been asked for consensus on the removal of this massive wall of unreferenced and unnecessarily detailed trivia relating to these two countries. The section starts off with an introduction, as though it's an essay, then proceeds to discuss everything from exactly how the Australian Army salute is to be performed, when, and to whom, to whether or not members of the Salvation Army should be saluted. Clearly this information has been added by someone passionate about the ADF and its traditions, but I think almost all of this section is unnecessary and simply does not belong here. Additionally, the section shows a strong bias to the Army, almost ignoring the other two services, and is completely unreferenced. To be honest, I don't understand why I'm being asked to justify its deletion. Can we please restore the much more succinct entry, most of which came from the Army's website? In the meantime, I've tagged the section to highlight the issue. Tuskah (talk) 03:54, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Delete it, its derogatory (it uses the word Pommie for personnel from the UK and Dropshort for members of the Artillery Regiment) as well as for all the reasons you have raised.Raddisch (talk) 04:28, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
I've restored my 'short and sweet' version - I realise it's very light on detail, but I've had difficulty finding other sources. If anyone else can add relevant, referenced information that would be appreciated. Tuskah (talk) 14:36, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
It's also only applicable to Army & Airforce, the Royal Australian Navy salute is different. The RAN salute is essentially the same as the Royal Navy salute as detailed in the British military section. Swampy (ex-RAN) 101.174.220.18 (talk) 07:14, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
An additional difference with the Naval salute is that it is not performed by path of the longest way up and then the shortest way down, it is shortest way up and shortest way down. Swampy again. 101.174.220.18 (talk) 07:19, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Civilian Organization Salutes

It seems that it wouold be appropriate to add salutes from civilian groups such as the Boy Scouts, Eagles Lodge, Masons, etc. For the Boy Scouts, the salute is similar to the British Naval salute but for the Cub Scouts the salute is reduced from a full hand open to two fingers out and two fingers plus the thumb curled under the palm. --RossO 18:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC) When I was a Boy Scout, the salute was not the same as the British Naval Salute. It was as described regarding Cub Scouts, except that three fingers, not two would be out. Terry Thorgaard (talk) 14:57, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Pop Culture

"In the Japanese Animated Series Shingeki No Kyojin (Attack on Titan) the members of the armed forces (and sometimes civilians in a show of respect towards military) salute by bending their arms and placing their clenched fist over their hearts."

Space Battleship Yamato predates this animated series with this same salute. Why is this 2009 anime given credit for something created by SBY in the 1970s? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thenetimp (talk • contribs) 09:01, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

"in popular culture"

Can I boldly suggest we remove this section?

Doubtless this list could extend to greater size than the rest of the article. Unless some particular fictional salute has been widely notable, I suggest we leave the lot out. Pinkbeast (talk) 12:44, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

British salutes - RAF

I recall from my time that a salute was only appropriate if *both* parties were covered (wearing cap or beret). The junior would salute the officer's badge but the officer could not return the salute unless the airman was covered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.245.28.10 (talk) 16:56, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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So many Unqualified wrote this

"Drafted" Vietnam War, they mentally and physically beat the Civilian Out of You, then turned you into a "Soldier", this included U.S. Army Customs and Courtesies going all the way back to the First American Colonies Militias, all of this was mentioned since the First Enlisted Man's Guide Book was Published by the British King's Appointed Governors, in later years an American Version was written called the "Enlisted Soldier's Guide" (not the same as the only 7th or 8th Edition, over 30 Editions since the First Edition over 200 years ago, Originally written by one of the few "Enlistees" (might have been a Conscript)that was Literate as a Guide for the New Enlistees to not get into trouble flogged, hanged), the History of the Salute is included also why the British, French, etc. Salute with their Palms outward.

During the Vietnam War I became a Non Commissioned Officer, E-6, age 19, Platoon Sergeant (you know Civilians because they don't know how to spell Sergeant), as those above me got Killed In Action, or completed their Tour and Fled. I had to know everything Required to be a Non Commissioned Officer, what saved me was the NCO (Non Commissioned Officer's) Guide, each Branch of Service has their Own.

"Not the sharpest pencil in the box" (did not learn from being Drafted) after College, University, ROTC I Re Entered the U.S. Military, the First Thing that i bought, before Commissioning, The (U.S.) Army Officer's Guide, Each Branch of Service, and some of the Branches within each Service have their Own. "For more than eighty years, this book has been the bible for U.S. Army officers. Condensed from Army regulations--and the customs and traditions of the service--this new edition (EDITION Number 53) provides the most up-to-date soldier information and frank advice on a variety of issues relating to service life."

When I became Joint Services, I bought the Marine Officer's Guide before being assigned to the U.S.M.C., next was the Air Force Officer's Guide, then the Navy Officer's Guide while serving with the U.S. Navy.

EACH one of these Guides, some in their over 30th Edition, in Detail mention History, Customs, and all kinds of things that the Schools, Civilian History Books, U.S. Military Schools DO NOT.

Joint Services Special Warfare Officer, meant Serving with Other Nation's Military of the British, French, Germans, Norwegians, Belgian, Dutch, Swedish, Iraqis, Afghan, Egyptian, Yemenis, (French) Algerian, Libyan, Nigerian, Sudanese (DARFUR), Niger, Mali, Indonesian, Filipino, Malaysian, a few more with the Graduation of College Cultural Anthropology BEFORE even being Assigned. Enlisted, NCO, U.S. Army Special Forces Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol meant also dealing with the Republic of South Vietnam Military and Vietnamese Civilians most knew French (Learned High School Germany) as Required as a previous French Colony (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia). My Observation was most did not even KNOW their Own History (like why they Salute the way they do), "Facts are Derived from Firsthand Observations and Firsthand Experience" according to American English University, College Reference Dictionaries that are Usually locked up in the Restricted Reference Sections, about this size, or larger as many volumes like the Oxford English Dictionary sets AS THE "FACTS" NOT ALLOWED BY WIKIPEDIA FROM EXPERTS WITH FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE, AND FIRSTHAND OBSERVATIONS.Nakamuradavid (talk) 15:20, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

"British line infantry salute"

I worked at a living museum. (Fort Henry)

We were told that in line, Commonwealth infantry saluted in a manner similar to the Danish Army (elbows in, so you don't hit the person next to you with your elbow) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.169.78.195 (talk) 17:52, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Nope, that's not the Real Reason, go do some Research here, and or go Serve with the British SAS (after the Vietnam War U.S. Army Special Forces NCO sent to "Update" the British SAS Training), Nuclear and Missile Officer Intermediate range Nuclear Forces Europe and Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (S.H.A.P.E.) Belgium, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers National Security Construction Project Manager, 1982 to 1983 U.S. Army Special Forces Officer Iran Iraq Wars, 1983 to 1984 CIA Operation Cyclone, and later on as a U.S. Army Nuclear (Weapons) Physics and Physiology Officer, Missile Officer we were sent here to deploy the U.S. Air Forces Ground Launched Cruise Missiles (Nuclear Warheads) from the Federal Republic of West Germany's U.S. Air Force Bases at Ramstein Air Force Base, Hahn Air Force Base, Zweibrucken Air Force Base, contingency Sembach Air Force Base, as the Commanding Officer of that Theater Support "Unit" a Nuclear Weapons Ordnance Company (411 Officers, Warrant Officers, NCOs, Enlisted), MP "Company" Physical Security (4 Platoons of over 90 each), Heavy Wheel Vehicle (like 18 Wheelers) of over 90 Vehicle Drivers (MOS 88M), Medium Lift CH-47 Company of ASG (Area Support Group) Mannheim, Aviation Detachment UH-1 later UH-60s Pirmasens, 4 U.S.A.F. Special Security Detachments Ramstein Hahn Zweibruken and that Joint U.S. Air Force and U.K. Royal Air Force Base. What was laugh out loud hilarious, was most of the UK Demonstrators and Protestors really did not know much (already deployed at UK Locations were really at). So not "unbelievable" why most UK Citizens do not even know the British Tradition (History) of their British Salute.Nakamuradavid (talk) 16:58, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Can we condense (and thus, be more accurate...) the section on the US military hand salute?

Strangely, most departments are listed except the United States Army is conspicuously absent (if one is to specify specific [sorry for redundancy] branches/departments then why would the Army be blatantly absent?). I propose to "kill two birds with one stone." To both be more accurate and less verbose, we simply use instead United States Department of Defense. Being that the American style of saluting does not differ between the different branches at all, I feel there is no need to list specific branches, which in turn will rectify the strange omission of the Army. Opinions...? Jersey John (talk) 12:07, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

I may go ahead and do this soon, in the lack of notice or response. If there happens to be a response to this before I do that then I will certainly hold off depending on what others have to say. In the meantime, however, I do intend to make this change. Jersey John (talk) 21:59, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

An issue not addressed.

I’m a Navy Vet but never have been clear in regard to how quickly or slowly the salute should be dropped.

Enlightenment please! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevewaclo (talk • contribs) 01:47, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

In the US, the salute may be dropped after it is returned, and not before. 71.220.219.16 (talk) 19:49, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Additional citations needed

Many sections have few or no citations. —hulmem (talk) 06:00, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

ROTC

How many men are made up of Salute? 41.191.107.138 (talk) 14:32, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

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