Talk:Samuel Sandbach

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UCL Legacies database[edit]

Slightly concerned that we are now citing the UCL Legacies of Slavery database rather than just having it in the Further reading section. It is without doubt a primary source and, which is worse, you'll find a lot of corrections in its entries. My own name appears on the bottom of some entries (not the Sandbach one) due to them reacting to my corrections of their info. I note that the Sandbach entry does mention someone as having done what appears to be the same thing, so how much more may be wrong? - Sitush (talk) 07:36, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Samuel Sandbach slave owner[edit]

Why was my edit mentioning that his fortune was founded on slave ownership and trade, as based on an article published on BBC (app version) removed? It seems censorship is at work. Or is the BBC not considered a reliable source?

Please note that Wikipedia is not considered one either. Wikibiohistory2 (talk) 14:20, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article does not cite Wikipedia, which would of course be WP:CIRCULAR. I have explained in my edit summaries why your efforts were poor. In brief, the BBC story is an "as told to" by someone who is a poet planning to do a PhD on the subject of Sandbach etc - the guy has no expertise in the subject matter. Further, WP:LEAD says we do not usually put cites in the lead section, and that he was involved in slavery etc is already sourced in the body anyway. As you will see from the section above this one, there is some legitimate concern about using the UCL database which, unfortunately, it seems the poet in the BBC interview also uses. Being generally reliable does not mean something is always reliable as a source. - Sitush (talk) 15:12, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I should add that there is nothing wrong with just an unsourced statement in the lead which says that he owned slaves but we have to be careful because he operated as a partnership and technically it is the partnership who owned them, not him. - Sitush (talk) 15:13, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A partnership is not a separate legal entity from the individual partners. If a partnership owns x, then the partners jointly own x, and so each individual partner is an owner of x. --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:08, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]