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Untitled comment[edit]

This seems like an ad to me. Is it at all related to San shou? Shawnc 11:21, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully the revision improves the flow and meaning of the article. Also Kung Fu San Soo is not related to San Shou —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mac Ossian (talk • contribs) 26 February 2007

The Chinese characters for "San shou" and "San soo" appear to be the same (散手 sparring). —Leo Laursen ( T | C ) 12:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

San Soo was the term Grandmaster Jimmy H. Woo used to refer to his family Art. The true name of the Art was Tsoi Li Ho Fut Hung. In fact in the Grandmasters dialect Taishanese, (Pronounced Hoy Sanese) it is pronounced San Shu. He changed it to San Soo so that other systems could not claim linage to his system. As a result, if you see the words San Soo, you would know their linage comes from Grandmaster Woo (Chin Shi Dek).

ccory —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ccory (talk • contribs) 16:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

San Soo and San Shou are the same. San Soo is the Cantonese pronunciation, and San Shou is the Mandarin (pinyin) equivalent. Bobbshields (talk) 08:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to me from reading the article that San Soo is just another name for San Shou. In my humble opinion this article should be deleted. --Rossen4 (talk) 06:35, 20 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.74.237 (talk) [reply]

San shou links to this article under the See Also as if it is different from San Shou, but this article explains San Soo is San Shou. Perhaps there should be clarification of the difference, or this article deleted and redirect to San shou 71.164.213.197 (talk) 03:48, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

While it is true that San Soo and San Shou two different dialects that may be used in referring to the same art, this article is referring to a completely different art, the art of Tsoi Li Ho Fut Hung. San Soo also refers to the action of what you do and so it's like two meaning with the same word. Many English words are like this too. It's difficult to understand if you do not understand the Chinese culture (nevermind the linguistics and history of dialects). Perhaps the article should lead with the name of the art and then explain that in the U.S.A. the art is often referred to as Kung Fu San Soo and why that is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.52.187.31 (talk) 14:37, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Woolsey taught that simply San Soo means Professional Fighting SanSooCrow (talk) 01:22, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kung Fu simply meant Working Man, Kung Fu San Soo meant , working man professional fighter. SanSooCrow (talk) 01:24, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Student of Frank Woolsey, Huntington beach, Warner - Golden West studio's. Started 1969 SanSooCrow (talk) 01:27, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jay-sus this page is a mess[edit]

It reads like an episode of Kung-Fu. I tried to remove as much drama/fluff as I could and leave the unverified facts. 198.6.46.11 21:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright violation?[edit]

A lot of text seems to have been copied verbatim from this page around March 2007 by an anonymous editor. --Slashme 10:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely copyright violation. This is anything but a proper article. RCIWesner 17:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the March 2007 copyvio.-gadfium 17:47, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Name?[edit]

So if this is Chinese, what's the name in Chinese? Because "San Soo" could be bloody near anything--218.166.25.141 06:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The Chinese Name is pronounced “Choy Li Ho Fut Hung Ga” in Cantonese or “Tsoi Li Ho Fut Hung Ga” in Hoisanese. The American founder Jimmy H. Woo, Chinese name Chin Siu Dek, is credited with bringing the art from China to the USA.

There is much debate about how he “Jimmy H. Woo” arrived here and the actual history of this martial art among practitioners.. Most students of this martial art simply call the style “Kung Fu San Soo” or “San Soo Kung Fu”. While the more traditional students call the style “Tsoi Li Ho Fut Hung Ga”, a five method art. I say method here instead of family as there is a running debate on whether it is a five family (as in surnames) art or a three family (Tsoi Li Ho) art.

As a demonstration of the constant disagreements among different practitioners of the art there is an ongoing debate about how people should address the American founder of this martial art. Again the traditional practitioners insist that people call him by the name “Lo Sifu Chin Siu Dek” while the non-traditional practitioners insist that he always told them to simply call him “Jimmy” or Jimmy H. Woo. Globosoft (talk) 02:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Globosoft (talk • contribs) 02:22, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SCARS[edit]

S.C.A.R.S. was based on San Soo and Jon Hess fought in the UFC. For some reason the relation to San Soo keeps getting deleted from this article, I suspect from some San Soo supporters who don't like this fact. --Mista-X (talk) 05:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SCARS is besed on San Soo only because Jerry Peterson is a master of San Soo. SCARS is fighting system developed by Jerry Peterson with many techniques learned while he was fighting in Southeast Asai. Jon Hess never studied SCARS however, he is a black belt in Kung Fu San Soo and is one of the most notable practitioners. Jon Hess was quoted as saying, "San Soo's the shizzle!"

Jlhess (talk) 21:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For sure. The point I just wanted to make is that SCARS has a relation to San Soo so the articles should be linked.--Mista-X (talk) 05:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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San Soo was recognized as a fast stand up style of counter fighting. It's lack of randori showed inexperienced fighters not lack of quality techniques. The army Scars program mixed various techniques from various sources including skills learnt fighting in the Philippines. Japan attacked and after the war judo was everywhere. The Olympics, the US military.

  Scars was a military mixed martial art.  NHB style. SanSooCrow (talk) 02:07, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

San Soo Kung Fu[edit]

I studied under Benjamin S. Brandt Anaheim, California. My name is William j. Tuttle 75.117.74.116 (talk) 04:50, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image is incorrect[edit]

The image shows Chinese sanshou, which is a form of sport kickboxing, not San Soo kung Fu which is a martial arts self defense style. 2600:4040:A7D8:C300:8005:6B96:3682:D9E3 (talk) 21:07, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]