Talk:Sarah Bond

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Notability/referencing[edit]

As a lay reader of this article, it is not clear how this professor meets Wikipedia's notability standards. The majority of references are the subject's own articles and theses. The two sources given under further reading appears to refer to a single controversy over a single article, which would not usually be sufficient for notability.

The specific criteria notes under Wikipedia:Notability (academics) give guidance on what would demonstrate notability and it is not clear which, if any are being met. Is she widely cited in prestigious journals? Has she won any major awards? (The news article I can find on the Outreach Award is from the University of Iowa site.) Does she hold a named chair or the highest-elected post at a major academic institution?

In good faith and to avoid edit wars, I have tagged this for extra sources instead of for notability.

In your edit summary (see the page's history) it states re the references to Professor Bond's publications and qualifications that 'None of these of themselves establish notability.' This is incorrect. These references demonstrate the first criteria of notability for academics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)): 'The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources'.

"Has she won any major awards?" >>> The page clearly states (in the 'Awards' section) that Prof. Bond was awarded the 'Society for Classical Studies' Outreach Prize for Individuals', meeting criteria 2 on the notability requirements: 'The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level.'

This award, as well as Professor Bond's highly visible and recognised status as a public scholar, as the page sets out, as well as her prolific academic output on Roman history, meet criterias 4 and 7 of the notability requirements: 'The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions' and 'The person has had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity'.

"The news article I can find on the Outreach Award is from the University of Iowa site." >>> The Outreach Award is clearly referenced in the first reference on the Wikipedia Page to the Society for Classical Studies website.

"Does she hold a named chair or the highest-elected post at a major academic institution?" >>> this is a misrepresentation of the notability criteria. It reads: 'The person holds or has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research'. Professor Bond is a Professor at the University of Iowa, a major institution of higher education and research. If you do not hold a professorial chair, it doesn't mean that you are not notable.

"Is she widely cited in prestigious journals?" >>> yes. Also this isn't part of notability criteria, and is difficult to measure.

Srsval (talk) 16:29, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it's clear from what (talk) has set out that the subject of this page meets the criteria. I am going to remove the tags. Incidentally, I'm struggling to understand what is good faith in challenging on notability, and tagging on other grounds. Claire 75 (talk) 17:14, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's clear at all. Srsval hasn't set out how she meets the criteria. "The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources". She may well have made a significant impact, but it has not been demonstrated by what is currently on the page. Independent, reliable sources have not been given. Nearly all of the sources are self-penned or bare biography on academic websites. "The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level." If the outreach award is highly prestigious, there will be numerous independent sources on it. The only news article I can find is on the University of Iowa site. This suggests it is neither national, international or highly prestigious. "The person holds or has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research". She doesn't hold a named chair or distinguished professor appointment as far as I can tell. Srsval suggests I have misrepresented the criteria, but that literally is the criteria. Not every professor is notable according to Wikipedia guidelines. As for your good faith point, you will see I did initially tag for notability, but since editors informed me she *was* notable, I tagged for sources instead to give them chance to provide them and establish notability. This hasn't been demonstrated, so I am tagging again. If she's notable, there will be independent, reliable sources. I can't find them. Peaky76 (talk) 15:56, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As a historian, if your work is permeating the public consciousness and resulting in pieces in Vice, or being reported on in the likes of Inside Higher Ed and The Chronicle of Higher Education then your work is having an impact. It's a shame about the circumstances. Anyway, I've removed the notability tag as it doesn't really seem to fit the subject this article. Richard Nevell (talk) 19:55, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]