Talk:Sawsan Al Majali

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I have mainly translated her Wikipedia page from Arabic to English. I'll mention below how she meets the Notability Requirements. Salukk (talk) 18:19, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Notability Requirements

Salukk (talk) 18:25, 7 June 2021 (UTC) Here's how Sawsan Al Majali meets the notability requirements:

1. The person has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research, or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon.

Al Majali served as Director of the Queen Zein Al Sharaf Institute for Development (ZENID) and Deputy Executive Director for Strategic Planning at the Jordanian Hashemite Fund for Human Development (JOHUD).

Al Majali meetsWP:POLITICIAN#4 as an elected member of Jordan's national governing body (Senate). QuakerSquirrel (talk) 16:41, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 20:28, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that nurse and Jordanian Senator Sawsan Al Majali followed in the footsteps of both her mother (who was a nurse) and her father (who was Prime Minister of Jordan)? Source: "I was wronged twice, the first time because I am the daughter of the Al-Majali clan, which is one of the largest clans bearing the same name, and the second time because I am the daughter of a former prime minister," and "I chose to study nursing because I was convinced of this profession, and my mother is a nurse." Ammon News and "It was decided to appoint Dr. Sawsan Al-Majali, daughter of former Prime Minister Abdul Salam Al-Majali, as Secretary-General of the Higher Population Council."

• Reviewed: North Shore Central School District
• Comment: Hook reference quotations are translated from Arabic via Google Translate. Article written by Salukk, a native Arabic speaker. Moved to mainspace by QuakerSquirrel

Moved to mainspace by QuakerSquirrel (talk) and Salukk (talk). Nominated by QuakerSquirrel (talk) at 21:47, 10 June 2021 (UTC).

• This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral, and I detected no copyright issues. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:00, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Primary Sources tag

@DoubleGrazing: you tagged this as relying too heavily on primary sources. Can you clarify some what the metric is so we can improve the article accordingly? For example, her interview is referenced three times, but it is summarized & discussed in Ammon News, which seems like a secondary source to me. Her profile pages at the Senate & the college -- are they considered primary sources or non-independent secondary sources? They don't provide controversial information, but just information about her education & work history on a reputable site. Can you help us identify the specific issues so that we can work to get the tag removed? Salukk has also done some copyediting -- if you feel that the grammar tag could be removed, that would be great, or highlight the areas of concern for us. Thank you. QuakerSquirrel (talk) 13:46, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi @QuakerSquirrel: rather than me trying to explain it and no doubt making a mess of things, may I refer you to this guidance document which you will probably find more helpful: WP:PSTS. But FWIW, my understanding is that any publication which is offering a first-hand observation or comment, including any where the source is 'close' to the subject, is considered primary; I think that covers most of the sources cited here. And interviews, even when published in secondary sources like newspapers, can be considered primary, because much of the content comes from the subject themselves (and may or may not be subject to verification before publishing). Hope this helps, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:20, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, DoubleGrazing. I had read that page & it didn't help me much when I was thinking about your critique earlier. There is also this page which explains that secondary sources may or may not be independent. Part of my issue is that the type of sources we have used (simple biographical information from reputable institutions associated with the subject) aren't really covered in any of the examples. I would also argue that the article about the interview is still a secondary source, because it involves some interpretation, such as "nor did she mortgage her relationship to work or people to her father's inheritance, because she believes that competence is assumed to be the basis and the most important criterion..." (Ammon Interview). I would argue that's an interpretation & synthesis of what she actually said and thus a secondary source. QuakerSquirrel (talk) 17:26, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@QuakerSquirrel: if you want to remove the primary sources tag, I won't have a problem with it. (In any case, you don't need my permission to do things, I hold no authority here whatsoever. Although thanks for checking in.) Of course, removing it doesn't stop somebody adding it back later, but at least you know it won't be me. :) --DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:51, 17 June 2021 (UTC)