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Nisa Character Section To Be Elaborated![edit]

Someone added "Nisa" to the Characters, and I decided to leave it, since she is an important character, at least in the beginning. Whoever, it heavily needs to be elaborated, as there's only two sentences. So now with the book out, and if you're looking for something to contribute to, that is the section we should be working on!

Moving the Seekers article[edit]

I moved Seekers by Erin Hunter to Seeker (novel series). That is how the Warriors page is listed, so I think that this is a better place than before. Epass (talk) 19:53, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's a good idea, although keep in mind that we don't have to follow the Warriors article step by step. If all of the series of books there are articles about have (novel series) after their name, then that's good, but if all of them have the "by author's name", then it'd best to leave it alone.

But I like the way you did it. It's more neat and organized. Thanks!

Bookwormreader (talk) 17:17, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Quest Begins published early![edit]

They Seemed To Have Released It Early In A Bookstore I Go To... WAY EARLY... They Had Outcast From Warriors Also... I Bought The Book And Read It But I Am Not Sure If I Should Make And Article For It... Should I? Pgcool (talk) 01:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you're going to capitalize every single word of your article, then please don't make a new one! And even if you're not, I don't know. I think it's better if you just wait until it really comes out in bookstores for everyone to read, so the whole community can participate.

Moreover, I kind of like having just one article so far for the Seekers series, without all the additional articles about each book seperately, articles about each character separately and so on.... Of course I know sooner or later somebody will want to create a detailed article based on only the first book, and I won't stop them, because that's a good idea. But for now... I just enjoy seeing one article only, organized and neat.

This is one article that I really want to keep neat the way it is now. Because the more popular it becomes and the more links and articles there are about a series, it becomes so crowded and messy and you can't keep track of all the changes, good or bad, and it just becomes a mess! Take the Warriors article - it's good, it's nice, but there are sections with like five words in them!

So yeah, I guess you can start making the outline of the article and writing what you want, but I would wait until more people read it. I don't like completely new and undevelopped articles, so it'd be great if the new article you're talking about would progress and bloom quickly. For that, we need more people! :D

Bookwormreader (talk) 17:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Smoke Mountain Cover Found!!![edit]

For some reason, #3 was released before #2. XD http://ina.lunarmania.com/~tuibo0/sites/default/files/Seekers3%20Cover_2.jpg 76.27.108.99 (talk) 03:08, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe thats the cover, it doesn't look like the look of The Quest Begins cover. FireWolf787 (talk) 16:18, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...It was on Tui's website. 76.27.108.99 (talk) 04:24, 8 September 2008 (UTC) Yeah, that pretty much pegs it as being the real cover. Plus, most book covers aren't identical, even if they are similar (which Smoke Mountain's is to The Quest Begins's). I agree that this is the cover. TakaraLioness (talk) 22:13, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I meant it just seems too... animated to be the real cover. The Quest Begins cover looked more realistic while this one seems so... fake. I hope they change the cover. FireWolf787 (talk) 04:01, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose a merger of all book articles to here[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the discussion was: merge. Airplaneman ✈ 22:46, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I propose merging The Quest Begins (Seekers), Great Bear Lake (Seekers), and The Last Wilderness (Seekers) to this main article. I have attempted multiple times in vain to search for substantial coverage from reliable third party sources and see no potential for much expansion or content addition to the articles, even in their current state; this has led me to believe the three aforementioned articles fail WP:BK. Additionally, merging the articles to this page will add little to none new content (see WP:MERGE). Please discuss below. Airplaneman ✈ 20:28, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge as nominator. Airplaneman ✈ 20:28, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. When working on a series, I've run into the same difficulty. My view now is to begin an article about a series and split into separate articles if necessary. But I think it's seldom necessary, and as you mention above, often difficult to find information. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 20:40, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Level of popularity is not high enough for a good number of rs to exist. Bramble claw x 21:06, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support while I quite enjoyed the first book and wish to read more, none of the books alone have the necessary notability to meet WP:BK. The Clique series is a decent example of how the list of novels can be formatted in a nice fashion. :-) -- AnmaFinotera (talk ~ contribs) 23:13, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

With your support, I have merged the content from The Last Wilderness (Seekers) to this article. I would look into doing the same with the other novel articles. Hippychick 13:18, 4 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hippychickali (talk • contribs)

All mergers now completed. Thank you all for your input and help! Airplaneman ✈ 22:46, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 03:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, dear Derild! You might remember me from MOTD. This is a nice article, simply written, informative, and readable. :) I've done a quick see-through, though, and found a few okay, nitpicky, merciless person that I am, a bunch of concerns. Here they are! Clementina talk 12:59, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seekers follows four young bear cubs: Kallik (a polar bear), Lusa (a black bear), Ujurak (a small grizzly bear who can change into any animal), and Toklo (a grizzly bear). I think "...follows the adventures of..." might sound better.
- Done Derild 49 21 ☼ 01:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Dogs were considered but rejected because they were too close to cats in their hierarchal social organization, their pack and hunting lifestyles, and their territoriality. <--"their" is unnecessary in its second and third usage.
- Done Derild 49 21 ☼ 01:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The company wanted her to write another series on animals just not about cats. This sounds slightly awkward, maybe a comma or two will make it flow more smoothly.
- Done Derild 49 21 ☼ 01:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
HarperCollins suggested dogs, but Holmes "was reluctant...they guard their territories".. Direct quotes need direct references. The statement about HarperCollins suggesting dogs especially needs a reference because it's referred to in the introduction.
- Done Derild 49 21 ☼ 01:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"the all-action excitement that the Erins love so much". Same here.
- Done Derild 49 21 ☼ 01:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
the company then thought about horses knowing how Holmes also like them.. This sentence sounds a bit awkward, too (there's something grammatically incorrect in that sentence, methinks, but unfortunately, I'm too dumb to lay my finger on it myself).
- Done Derild 49 21 ☼ 01:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
...the main inspiration for the series is Inuit beliefs and the Native American languages The great grammar mystery..again.
- Done Derild 49 21 ☼ 01:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Lusa means black in Choctaw while Kallik means lightning or storm in Inuit.[2] Shouldn't Choctaw be linked to Choctaw language?
- Done Derild 49 21 ☼ 01:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
However, even there, Ujurak, who leads the journey feels that they need to go further, into the Arctic. I think a comma after "journey" might make the prose smoother.
- Done Derild 49 21 ☼ 01:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Seekers follows four young bear cubs: Kallik (a polar bear), Lusa (a black bear), Ujurak (a small grizzly bear who can change into any animal), and Toklo (a grizzly bear). Here, a serial comma is used, while in other examples such as Lusa, Kallik and Toklo and The Last Wilderness, Fire in the Sky and Spirits in the Stars. the extra comma is omitted. Either can be used, but it has to be consistent throughout the article.
- Done Derild 49 21 ☼ 01:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The "First Series" section could be expanded quite a lot, I think (especially since the books don't get articles of their own yet).
- Generally, the plot is the least impoartant section o any series or book article as this it is considered to be fluff if too much detail is added. I've expanded it a bit though I plan to create to the book articles that have enough notability. Derild 49 21 ☼ 01:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Children's Literature picked up the environmental theme, it also commented themes such as "commented on" is probably better.
- Done Derild 49 21 ☼ 01:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
approach --- three bears mdash;, mdash;, otherwise you crash..
- Done Derild 49 21 ☼ 01:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"She also cleverly deals with the theme of racism through a unique and honest approach --- three bears of different color, different backgrounds and different beliefs turn to each other for survival and friendship"^{[citation needed]}
- Done Derild 49 21 ☼ 01:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Kirkus Review thought "Hunter creates a richly sensuous world filled with cruelty, beauty, tenderness, savagery and just enough underlying legendary background to add mystery"; they also wrote that too much detail went into developing the characters and setting and there was very little plot.[7] At first they're complimenting the book, and then they're "also" criticizing it. Maybe something along the lines of ...mystery"; however, they criticized the weakness of the plot and the excessive detail in character development and setting.
- Done Derild 49 21 ☼ 01:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Other media" could simply be "External links", no? :)
- Done Derild 49 21 ☼ 01:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All in all, this article has a solid base and good references, but it needs much improvement to get there. I'm sure that~~typing like crazy waay after midnight and getting up in the morning with bleary, bloodshot eyes~~ some good effort will benefit it greatly, though. Keep up the good work! Love, Clementina talk 12:59, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll start working on this tomorrow as I have somewhere to go tonight. Thanks for the review! Derild 49 21 ☼ 23:22, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just striked everything off since I think I did it though I'm not sure. Anything else I miss? Derild 49 21 ☼ 01:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Great job, Derild! *dances* No, I don't think you've missed anything, but I have, so here they are I know, I know...Clementina, couldn't you stir a finger instead of ordering innocent people around? ;)...

In the introduction, it says that Lusa "means moon in Choctaw." Then in the next section, it says that Lusa means "black" in Choctaw. Which?
Overall, it would be nice if the prose could be somewhat strengthened.
Holmes liked the idea and decided to have one of the bears have the same ability which allowed him to "infiltrate a human community without them guessing the truth". Direct quotation, needs a reference (including its claim of being inspired by a shaman).
...she decided to research Native American <--this sounds slightly awkward.
However, even there, Ujurak, who leads the journey, feels that they need to go further, into the Arctic The, many, commas, make, the, sentence, feel, a, bit, choppy. :)
The first one, Toklo's Story, was released on February 9, 2010 <-- "one" isn't necessary
Publishers Weekly praised the suspenseful ending of the first book and thought readers would find great interest in the bears' struggle to survive. Booklist felt that the first book had an "interesting balance of cute anthropomorphic characterization and realistic attention to bear behaviors". This needs a reference.
School Library Journal wrote "From the first page, this story is exciting and refreshing" and "[t]he plot is fast paced, and the author is apt at creating and sustaining the adrenaline-charged mood of these youngsters on their own". I believe this needs a reference as well.
Kirkus Review thought "Hunter creates a richly sensuous world filled with cruelty, beauty, tenderness, savagery and just enough underlying legendary background to add mystery"; However, the reviewer also felt... after the semicolon, "However" shouldn't be capitalized; I also think that simply ending the sentence there with a period might make the whole flow more smoothly.
The websites in the "External links" should be bulleted. it's prettier ;)

Hope this isn't too overwhelming, and thanks for fixing my last cruel comments so well. :) Sincerely, Clementina talk 13:27, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- I've fixed the reference comments and will get working on the prose as soon as I have time, sometime this week. Thanks! Derild 49 21 ☼ 20:21, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds great!

If it's not too much trouble, would you please drop me a line if you finish the list, as I might miss it on my watchlist? Thanks so much, Clementina talk 12:41, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone through with a copyedit and will also post a request to GOCE. Anything else? Derild 49 21 ☼ 21:10, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Has this review been finished? No updates in a few weeks save for the writer asking if there's anything else. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 18:47, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, just checked the reviewer's page. I'll take a look at this article myself then soon and wrap the review up. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 18:48, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the issues I found:

The pic in the infobox is quite large, and should be shrunk to meet non-free criteria standards. The second one's fine, so shrink it to about where that is. Done
Refs 1 and 10 should have accessdates. Done
Punctuation should go inside the ending quote marks, rather than outside. Done
~~Any ETA on when the sixth book might be released? If not that's no big deal.~~ I found it at the end of the article; it should probably be moved higher in the article so readers aren't left wondering the whole way through. Done
"their homes and habitats. .[6]" double punctuation there. Done

I'll put the article on hold for a few days and will pass it when the issues are fixed. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 18:33, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Everything looks good now, so I'll pass the article as a GA. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 01:24, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Film Adaption[edit]

{{Infobox film | name = Seekers | image = | image size = | alt = | caption = | director = [[Jerry Bruckheimer]] | producer = [[Jon Turteltaub]] | writer = | screenplay = | story = | based on =  | narrator = | starring = [[Johnny Depp]] [[Nicolas Cage]] Other TBA Actors and Actress | music = [[Richard M. Sherman]] [[Robert B. Sherman]] [[Carly Simon]] [[Carl Johnson (composer)|Carl Johnson]] | cinematography = | editing = | studio = [[Pixar]] [[Relativity Media]] [[Jerry Bruckheimer]] Films | distributor = [[Walt Disney Pictures]] | released = {{small|'''Part 1:'''}} {{filmdate|2013|11|22}} {{small|'''Part 2:'''}} {{filmdate|2014|7|17}} | runtime = TBA | country = United States Canada United Kingdom Australia | language = English | budget = | gross = }} Walt Disney Pictures, Pixar, Relativity Media and Jerry Bruckheimer Films will Plan a 2013/2014 Upcoming two-part CGI/Live-Action film based on Novel Series, Jerry Bruckheimer have to direct this two films.

Do you have a reliable source for this? Bramble claw x 21:13, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion to Improve[edit]

I know this is rated as a GA article, and overall it is very good. but I think the second and third paragraphs are repetitive, almost as if someone rewrote one paragraph and then neglected to remove the original. I don't want to change it, as someone has obviously put a lot of work into the article and I'd prefer for them to fix it the way they want, but I think you might want to take another look. Tlqk56 (talk) 06:07, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've dealt with this. Bramble claw x 17:58, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]