Talk:Selim II

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Censorship in Turkish version.[edit]

There is an certain amount of censorship in the Turkish version of this article. It is not allowed to mention that he was drinking. That he was devoid of military interest. It is not even allowed to post any of his poems regarding wine or drinking. Can something be done to fix this censorship? Turkish vikipedia is overrun by conservativese I think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meursaultcaulfield (talk • contribs) 06:07, 8 December 2013 (UTC) (Meursaultcaulfield (talk) 11:27, 8 December 2013 (UTC)).[reply]

It was a conspicuously absent topic in the English version as well. Hm.75.55.254.63 (talk) 04:29, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Vangelis Kechriotis wrote an article that relates to this issue. Apparently, there's a strong current of revisionism that attempts to deny that the Sultans drank alcohol. I checked the history of this article and someone going by "JackSparrow224" removed references to Selim II's famous epithet from the current article back in December 2017. I would suggest that the editors keep an eye out for this kind of PoV edit. My previous experience with wikipedia is that these guys tend to be pretty relentless, and indeed one reason I quit doing it was I was tired of edit-warring with them. Wikipedia is not very good at policing PoV cranks.(Kechriotis, Vangelis: From Oblivion to Obsession. The Uses of History in Recent Public Debates in Turkey. In: Historein 11 (2011), S. 100–124. https://ejournals.epublishing.ekt.gr/index.php/historein/article/viewFile/2233/2073) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.15.76.10 (talk) 02:10, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

His Physical Appearance[edit]

As some historicals say, Selim was a Jew because of Hürrem Sultan who was a Jew. She cheated Sultan Süleyman, and Selim was born. So Selim and the latter padisahs were Jew. I think it is normal, because Jews are blonde and blue-eyed like Selim, you know. Could you please let me know about? Thanks User:Gerçek tarih 12:38, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

before christianity, the whole caucasus was jewish. that was their faith, not nationality. the ashkenazi jews were khazars by nationality. turkic peoples. in the caucasian albania the main city was called kabala. i am interested in something else. is it true that selim brought caucasian albanians(arnavuts) to the balcans?79.126.201.242 (talk) 12:50, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

and the blonde jews are lydians, sfardi, sephardic, macedonians79.126.201.242 (talk) 12:57, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

albanians[edit]

there is no mention that he sent albanians from caucasus to balcans.212.13.65.14 (talk) 10:40, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Failure to provide adequate information?[edit]

This man ruled a huge population and a complex region for the better half of a century, and the wikipedia writers have devoted a summary of a half a page on this individual? Seriously? My professors would have flunked myself in my undergrad if I had turned in a summary such as this! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.175.95 (talk) 12:44, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Poem[edit]

@user:Hassan ahmedbabur: I appreciate that you want to include a poem by Selim in the article - this would be a good addition. But you have to do it by citing a reliable source, and that means ideally a book or article written by an academic historian, not a Facebook post. If you're interested in this, I would encourage you to do research on the topic to add to the article. Chamboz (talk) 14:34, 17 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]