Talk:Shelter-in-place

Lead Sentence

The first sentence states that a shelter in place is issued in the event of a chemical incident. Most of the examples given are of shelter in place due to shooting incidents. The lead should be corrected. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:44, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Done. The lead has been expanded. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:39, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I see that Robert's edit was reverted. The phrase is now widely used for instances other than chemical. The article should acknowledge that.Americasroof (talk) 19:48, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Really...?

It claims halfway though the article that

 "In the military, "Shelter-in-Place" is comparable to "buttoning up" and has proved life saving in many instances."

Which instances, exactly? Was there a chemical or biological attack in some war recently? I hadn't heard about it. Which exact war was it, and when was the chemical attack made? Because unless there actually was a chemical or biological attack, the only time SIP could have been used is either during training, or during false alarms. In either case, it could not have actually saved any lives, so I am dubious about this claim.

I also notice that above this, it says (among other things):

 "If the occupant's breathing-produced carbon dioxide is the only consumer of oxygen in the room then carbon dioxide levels would not begin to reach dangerous values until 3+ hours had passed, in all likely, 4 family home, scenarios."

Carbon dioxide does not consume oxygen, to the the best of my knowledge, and are "4 family homes" really an good example home to use? Around here, it's usually one family per home, although that may not be the case in other places. Or perhaps you mean "4 person family"? That would be a bit closer to the average..45Colt 00:31, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Regarding the "4 family homes" comment, I'd also assume that the editor intended to state that there were four different scenarios played out, and that they yielded similar results. -- 47.35.202.165 (talk) 22:07, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Revision 720245867

Revision 720245867 adds two additions previously removed by myself that are not backed by source and appear to run afoul of WP:BIAS. The provided source (here) does not appear to backup the additions made. If there exists a clearer, non-biased source, why is this source not currently being used?

Keep in mind, just because you think it says that, doesn't mean it does. Such a statement needs to be backed by a clear statement, that is the kind of source you're looking for. Interpretations of statements made are not the same as what is actually being said. 74.67.1.20 (talk) 08:02, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Gases

This article seems to concentrate on emergency responses to toxic gases. It needs to be more general. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:46, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 25 March 2020

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Moved to Shelter-in-place. This is not entirely clear cut, but there does appear to be consensus that the article should be moved away from its current title to one that is hyphenated, and consensus that "warning" should not be added to the tile. BD2412 T 04:17, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Shelter in place → Shelter-in-place warning – I think, that there is no primary topic for "shelter-in-place"/variants and that a disambiguation page should be in place at the base name with this article and the article for shelter-in-place order (stay-at-home order) be the two topics listed on the page -- (If this moves, please remember to move the talk page as well) -- 67.70.32.186 (talk) 16:16, 25 March 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. BD2412 T 03:49, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

• Keep: The word "shelter in place" has been used for years in emergency preparedness. The term "shelter in place", not "shelter in place warning", is used. Here is a quick example from the Federal Emergency Management Agency in the emergency preparedness. "Evacuation" and "shelter in place" are alternatives to address an immediate emergency. There are tons of references on "shelter in place". Just too many to list here. Z22 (talk) 16:37, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

• Move to shelter-in-place - This is the more accepted WP:NOUN phrase ("police ordered a shelter-in-place"), while the current title is more of a verb phrase ("police ordered residents to shelter in place"). Supporting evidence from Google Ngrams that this spelling is also more common. As related to the stay-at-home order, hatnotes can cover this best rather than a DAB page. -- Netoholic @ 12:13, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Why is Shelter-in-place order a redirect to stay-at-home order? They are not the same. — Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:56, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

  Agree, it shouldn't. So I've pointed that redirect to this article. -- Netoholic @ 08:16, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

• Move to shelter-in-place as per, like, grammar and stuff Red Slash 23:28, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

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Shelter-in-place vs. Stay-at-home

Finding good WP:RS on this subject isn't easy from using Google, findlaw, and legal dictionaries, and looking at some recent cases. However I did find these:

• Staff, N. L. C. (2020-03-30). "What's the Difference Between Shelter in Place, Safer at Home, and Stay Home Orders?". CitiesSpeak. Retrieved 2020-05-18.
• Barrett, Stacy. "Is Violating a Shelter-in-Place Order a Crime?". www.nolo.com. Retrieved 2020-05-18.

--David Tornheim (talk) 06:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)