Talk:Shilling (New Zealand coin)

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A fact from Shilling (New Zealand coin) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 24 January 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Māori warrior on the New Zealand shilling (pictured) was actually depicted wearing a dance uniform?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/January. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Shilling (New Zealand coin).

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 01:35, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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New Zealand Shilling reverse, 1933

... that the Māori warrior on the New Zealand shilling (pictured) is actually depicted wearing a dance uniform? Source: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19340314.2.200.4
https://web.archive.org/web/20170617210710/https://teara.govt.nz/en/kapa-haka-maori-performing-arts/page-3 "These combined traditional Māori garments, which had by then become rare in everyday use, and more modern or reinvented clothing. The piupiu, a kilt-type garment worn by both men and women, is one of the most distinctive parts of a kapa haka costume. ‘Piupiu’ means to sway to and fro. The piupiu is generally made from dried flax, which makes a distinctive noise as its strands move with the vigorous rhythm of performance."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/History of Qing (People's Republic)

Created by Generalissima (talk). Self-nominated at 00:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Shilling (New Zealand coin); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Article is new enough and long enough. Does source #1 say that the British coinage became the sole legal tender? AGFing on #2, #9, #14 and #16. Where is 0.931 in #3? The source says "pou tangata" with a space. Got to say, the way #4, #17 #6 are used is a bit impractical with the lack of page numbers - for example, the bit about the design being more suited for the florin or about Metcalfe's design being rejected for the penny or the lack of commemorative issues. Shouldn't "disliked eachother" be spaced? #7 and #8 do not contain the quotes. #11 says that the minister thought that it would make New Zealanders look like "savage Maoris" not simply "savage", which might be an important distinction. Does #15 discuss the Hector anywhere? That quote doesn't seem to have an inline ref. Didn't notice any copyvio or plagiarism. NPOV wise I can't help but notice that we say the reception was mixed but then mostly mention critiques. Why does the hook say "actually"? File:1933 Shilling, New Zealand, Reverse.png seems to lack a licence for the coin. QPQ is a bit base. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:41, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Generalissima: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 18:39, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have left a note on Generalissima's talk page. They have been editing Wikipedia, so if they do not respond to this within the next couple of days this nomination can be closed as abandoned. Z1720 (talk) 19:21, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have been extremely busy lately but will be able to get back to this within the next couple days. Generalissima (talk) 05:45, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: Sorry about that. Finally got back to the article and made fixes as requested; the hook says "actually" since it would not be expected for a warrior to wear a dance uniform as opposed to a combat uniform. Generalissima (talk) 22:01, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, but I don't think most of the issues in the spotcheck are addressed. Nor the image licencing issue. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:47, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Jo-Jo Eumerus: The image has been licensed correctly; Museums Victoria released the images under a creative commons license, and NZ did not copyright coins until 1967. 'Pou tangata' is a variant spelling, but is more commonly spelled without the space. I already altered the quotes you raised issue with so they match the exact spellings which appear in the works, and corrected the Savage Maoris line and removed the coin's diameter from the Coin Act line. Is there anything else that needs to be done? Generalissima (talk) 16:09, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - ~ Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Shilling (New Zealand coin)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: OlifanofmrTennant (talk · contribs) 09:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello I will be doing this review. My primary area of work is Television but In an effort to branch out here I am.

Immediate failure[edit]

1. Its pretty close to all of the criteria
2. Earwig doesnt flags any issues other than what seems to be a quote.
3. No maintenance tags.
4. Page is currently stable, no persistent vandalism.
5. No previous nominations
✓ Pass

Good Article[edit]

Well-written[edit]

I made a small change but other that I dont see any problems so

✓ Pass

Verifiable[edit]

I have selected sources 23 and 27 for a spot check. (based on this revision [1])

Spotchecks[edit]

REF 27[edit]

Claim:

While the new coinage was welcomed by the New Zealand public, reaction to the shilling was mixed. The ahistorical usage of the piupiu garment (associated modern Haka dance and ceremony) in a combat scenario was criticised, alongside the awkward pose with which the taiaha was held.

Source: NEW SHILLING DESIGN

Proven by source: There is indeeded criticism of the shilling.

REF 23[edit]

Claim:

The warrior is shown in a piupiu, shirtless and turned away from the viewer, crouched atop a rock or escarpment. He holds a taiaha in both his hands, pointing forward

Source:

Zealand Numismatic Journal

Proven by source: The discription of the coin lines up with the discription section

✓ Pass

Broad in coverage[edit]

Aritcle stays on topic with links where applicable.

✓ Pass

Neutral[edit]

Stays pretty objective throught the article. ✓ Pass

Stable[edit]

No recent debate nor vandalism. ✓ Pass

Illustrated[edit]

The page uses eight images, seven of which are coins and all of them are from commons. The one that isnt a coin is of Gordon Coates who was important to the history of the coin,

✓ Pass

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OVERALL[edit]

The page is already in pretty good shape and only needed was on small adjustment. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 10:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]