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The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 22:26, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that in 1914, the only village of the Shilshole people was destroyed for the creation of the Ballard Locks? Source: From two sources:

1) Dr. Coll Thrush's 2007 book Native Seattle: Histories from the Crossing-Over Place (2nd ed.):
"...some Shilshole people remained here until the construction of the Hiram M. Chittenden Locks in the early twentieth century, while others became part of the community of Ballard or moved to area reservations. Relatively little is known about this settlement, as construction of the locks destroyed most of it in the 1910s" (p. 223).
2) Julie Pheasant-Albright's 2007 book Early Ballard:
"The last 20 or so Shilsholes living in Ballard were relocated to reservations when the locks were built in 1914 ... Shilshole Charlie was taken away to a reservation and his cabin burned" (pp. 11-12)

- ALT1: ... that the last twenty residents of the only Shilshole village on Salmon Bay in Seattle were evicted in 1914 for the creation of the Ballard Locks? Source: same as before
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PersusjCP (talk) 00:10, 3 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@PersusjCP: Before I continue with the rest of the review, I think there may be an issue. The last paragraph of the History section appears to be a failed verification. If you wouldn't mind highlighting the specific passage and page number from that article that references that paragraph, I would greatly appreciate it! A fascinating article, to be sure! ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- The quoted section in the article:
  "Despite living on a saltwater estuary, they were one of the x̌ačuʔabš, the Lake Peoples, a traditional ethnic identity of the Lushootseed-speaking world, whose villages were primarily located around the freshwater lakes Washington and Union. This is due to their connection to the other Lake Peoples and their reliance on the resources of Lake Washington and Lake Union." (Buerge (1930) p. 30)

The exact quotations I was pulling this from are in the second, third, and fourth columns of page 30.

Column two: "he also used [lake people] as a general term that also [in addition to the people of Lake Washington] included groups living on Salmon Bay and Lake Union as well as those on the Sammamish River and Lake Sammamish. How could the term "lake people" logically be applied to groups living on a saltwater estuary like Salmon Bay?"

Buerge answers this in the third and fourth columns: "It appeared, then, that the resources of the lakes served to identify those who used them as "lake people," just as those who made most use of the rivers' resources were known as "river people," and those who most used marine resources were known as "saltwater people." The term "lake people" as it is applied to those living on Salmon Bay ... makes sense if we understand that they relied upon the resources of the lakes as much as or more than they did upon those of estuary or river. It was an ethnic identity as distinct as those recognized for saltwater people, river people, and inland people..."

Please let me know if you have any more questions! I appreciate it! PersusjCP (talk) 03:44, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- - @PersusjCP: Ah, I was looking at the wrong page! That clears it up. Excellent work here. Please continue working hard on articles in this subject area, as your work is deeply appreciated and has already significantly contributed to the public understanding of this general topic! ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:48, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - Great! Thank you so much! I will definitely keep at it! :) PersusjCP (talk) 03:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]