Talk:Shrine of Abu Lu'lu'a

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Reliable source for Piruz Nahavandi / Firuzan ?[edit]

All reliable sources now cited in this article refer to the structure as a "shrine" rather than as a "tomb". Since "Piruz Nahavandi" is either very rarely or not at all used by reliable sources (cf. also the discussion on Abu Lu'lu'a's talk page), we should primarily refer to either "Abu Lu'lu'a" or to "Abu Lu'lu'a Firuz". Based on the naming criterion of concision (cf. also WP:CONCISE, which gives a reasoned exception for biographical articles, but this is not one), I moved this page from Tomb of Piruz Nahavandi to Shrine of Abu Lu'lu'a (rather than Shrine of Abu Lu'lu'a Firuz).

However, it seems to me that "Piruz Nahavandi" (or variant transliterations like "Peroz" or "Nihavandi") may be the most common local Iranian name for Abu Lu'lu'a (?), and some reliable source for this name would still be very welcome, because that would mean that we can add this name to the lead. The currently cited Persianblog.ir source also gives "Fīrūzān" (فیروزان), another local name in Iran? However, Persianblog.ir is a self-published unreliable source. Unless the appearance of the "Piruz Nahavandi" name on websites and blogs is a case of WP:CITOGENESIS, we should be able to find a reliable source. Thanks, ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 01:00, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source for 13th/14th Ilkhanid origin?[edit]

At this time, this article claims that Abu Lu'lu'a's shrine was built by the Ilkhanid Mongols in the 13th or 14th century. However, it's not clear to me what exactly the source for this is. We are citing the Encyclopaedia of the Iranian Architectural History, which sounds impressive enough, but there's no author name, editor name, article title, volume, page number. Perhaps readers are supposed to verify it by the .xlsx (Excel) file we link to, but that's a huge file and I for one don't know where to look (any hints?). The other source currently used, Persianblog.ir, does mention that it was completely rebuilt in the second half of the 14th century, but this is a self-published blog by a certain "Muhammad", so not quite a reliable source. A better source is needed. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 01:36, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]