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Unitet Naticion Law in Kosovo

The user of the city names in English Language (newer version from the UN liable pilari in Kosovo for such think )

  1. http://www.osce.org/kosovo/13982.html

The original page of the Law (1. in albanian L., 2.Serbian L.)

  1. http://www.unmikonline.org/regulations/unmikgazette/03albanian/A2000regs/RA2000_43.htm
  2. http://www.unmikonline.org/regulations/unmikgazette/04serbian/SC2000regs/RSC2000_43.pdf

The UN Law in Kosovo says that the only oficele name are the names presentit in >A< every thinks als is out of Law. This is for albanian language. 

RREGULLORe NR. 2000/43
UNMIK/REG/2000/43
27 korrik 2000
Mbi numrin, emrat dhe kufinjtë e komunave
-------------------------------------------
Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm,
Në pajtim me autorizimin e tij të dhënë me rezolutën 1244 (1999) të datës 10 qershor 1999 të 
Këshillit të Sigurimit të Kombeve të Bashkuara,
Duke marrë parasysh Rregulloren nr. 1999/1 të datës 25 korrik 1999, të ndryshuar, të
Misionit të Administratës së Përkohshme të Kombeve të Bashkuara në Kosovë (UNMIK)
mbi autorizimin e Administratës së 
Përkohshme në Kosovë dhe Rregulloren Nr. 1999/24 të datës 12 dhjetor 1999 të UNMIK-ut 
mbi ligjin në fuqi në Kosovë,
Me qëllim të qartësimit të numrit, emrave, shtrirja dhe kufinjve të komunave para mbajtjes 
së zgjedhjeve komunale në Kosovë,
Shpall sa vijon:
Neni 1
Numri dhe emrat e komunave
Kosova ka tridhjetë komuna ashtu siç figurojnë në Tabelën ‘A’ të kësaj rregulloreje. 
Komunikimi zyrtar nuk përmban asnjë emër për ndonjë komunë i cili nuk figuron në Tabelën ‘A’ 
të kësaj rregulloreje, përveç që në ato komuna ku komunitetet etnike a gjuhësore joshqiptare 
dhe joserbe përbëjnë një pjesë substanciale, emrat e komunave jepen edhe në gjuhët e 
atyre komuniteteve.
Neni 2
Shtrirja dhe kufinjtë e komunave
Shtrirja e çdo komune dhe kufinjtë e tyre skicohen nga zonat e tyre përbërëse kadastrale. 
Zonat kadastrale të cilat përbëjnë çdo komunë figurojnë në Tabelën ‘B’ të kësaj rregulloreje.
Neni 3
Zbatimi
Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm mund të lëshojë direktiva administrative 
në lidhje me zbatimin e kësaj rregulloreje.
Neni 4
Ligji i zbatueshëm
Kjo rregullore mbulon çdo dispozitë në ligjin e zbatueshëm e cila nuk është në përputhje me të. 
Neni 5
Hyrja në fuqi
Kjo rregullore hyn në fuqi më 27 korrik 2000.
Bernard Kouchner
Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm

The UN Law in Kosovo says that the only oficele name are the names presentit in >A< every thinks als is out of Law. This is for serbian language. 

UREDBA BR. 2000/43
UNMIK/URED/2000/43
27. jul 2000. godine
O BROJU, IMENIMA I GRANICAMA OP[TINA
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara,
Shodno ovla{}ewu koje mu je dato Rezolucijom Saveta bezbednosti Ujediwenih
nacija 1244 (1999) od 10. juna 1999. godine,
Na osnovu Uredbe br. 1999/1 od 25. jula 1999. godine Privremene
administrativne misije Ujediwenih nacija na Kosovu (UNMIK), sa izmenama i
dopunama, o ovla{}ewima Privremene uprave na Kosovu i na osnovu Uredbe
UNMIK-a br. 2000/24 od 12. decembra 2000. godine o zakonu koji je u primeni na
Kosovu, <u>(hier is oficele user)</u>
U ciqu razja{wavawa broja, imena, oblasti i granica op{tina pre odr`avawa
op{tinskih izbora na Kosovu,
Ovim objavquje slede}e:
Clan 1
BROJ I IMENA OPSTINA
1.1 Kosovo ima trideset opstina kao sto je dato u Tabeli '''A''' u dodatku ovoj
Uredbi.
1.2 Zvani~na komunikacija ne mo`e da sadrzi bilo koje ime za opstinu koje
nije naziv odredjen u Tabeli A ove Uredbe, osim u onim opstinama gde etni~ke i
jezi~ke zajednice, koje nisu srpske i albanske ~ine znatan deo stanovni{tva, gde
se imena op{tina daju i na jezicima tih zajednica.
Clan 2
PODRU^JA I GRANICE OP[TINA
Podru~je svake op{tine i wene granice su ocrtane wenim sastavnim
katastarskim zonama. Katastarske zone koje ~ine svaku op{tinu su odre|ene u
Tabeli B prilo`enoj u dodatku ovoj Uredbi.
Clan 3
PRIMENA
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara mo`e da donese administrativno
uputstvo u vezi sa primenom ove Uredbe.
Clan 4
ZAKON KOJI JE U PRIMENI
Ova Uredba zamewuje svaku odredbu zakona koji je u primeni a koja nije saglasna
sa wom.
Clan 5
STUPAWE NA SNAGU
Ova Uredba stupa na snagu 27. jula 2000. godine.
Bernar Ku{ner
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara

tabel of contens >A< 

TABELA ‘A’ (alb) RASPORED A (ser.)
Emrat e komunave (alb.)IMENA OPSTINA (serb)
Albanski Srpski
01 Deçan \Decani
02 Gjakovë \Djakovica
03 Gllogovc \Glogovac
04 Gjilan \Gnilane
05 Dragash \Dragas
06 Istog \Istok
07 Kaçanik \Kacanik
08 Klinë\ Klina
09 Fushë Kosovë\ Kosovo Polje
10 Kamenicë \Kamenica
11 Mitrovicë \Kosovska Mitrovica
12 Leposaviq \Leposavic
13 Lipjan \Lipqan
14 Novobërdë \Novo Brdo
15 Obiliq \Obilic
16 Rahovec\ Orahovac
17 Pejë\ Pec
18 Podujevë\ Podujevo
19 Prishtinë \Pristina
20 Prizren \Prizren
21 Skenderaj\ Srbica
22 Shtime\ Stimqe
23 Shtërpcë\ Strpce
24 Suharekë\ Suva Reka
25 Ferizaj \Urosevac
26 Viti \Vitina
27 Vushtrri\ Vucitrn
28 Zubin Potok \Zubin Potok
29 Zveçan\ Zvecan
30 Malishevë\ Malisevo

If sambody have a argument Im waitting. In another cases you are going to interpret the dokumets (you are out of UN Law) and you dont have argumet, you dont work for Wikipedia but you are destroing the comunity of Wikipedia. I know that my english is not so gut, but a desinformation is not gut for Wikipedia and for the peopel in Kosovo. Dont forget You can have a problem with "Haage" or Carla del Ponte. This tabel is speeken better then I --Hipi Zhdripi 20:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

No argumet

No argumet!!! please dont inteprete the documents

Sombody have putit this Kosovo place in Serbia stub or category or template here with out argumet. We dont have a argumet that Kosovo is part of S/M. We have tha Constitution of this countrie but we have the rez. 1244 wich is more importen for the Wikipedia and is saying that Kosovo it is a part of Yougoslavia and is prototoriat of UN. Till we dont have a clearly argument from UN, aricel about Kosovo must be out of this stub or category or template. Pleas dont make the discution with intepretation or the Law wich are not accordin to 1244. Everybodoy can do that but that is nothing for Wikipedia.--Hipi Zhdripi 05:16, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the debate was Move Duja► 09:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Shtime → Štimlje — Move from the Albanian name to the Serbian one, to reflect common English usage, as illustrated in the "Sources" sub-section below. For a number of historical reasons, the English language has usually adopted the Serbian names for the region of Kosovo. This usage may change in the future, and Albanian names may become the norm in English texts, but this isn't the case yet. Only when/if that happens should Wikipedia reflect the change, instead of spearheading it. Evv 21:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

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Survey - Support votes

  1. Support as nominator. Evv 21:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
  2. Support --Krytan 22:33, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
  3. Support, sort keys are no excuse. PS: Apologies for page move, I was unaware of the WP:RQM ongoing. Asteriontalk 14:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
  4. Support per nom. Prolog 00:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Survey - Oppose votes

  • Oppose because discussion below improperly considers English "Stimlje" the same as Serbian "Štimlje". It ought to be at either Shtime or Stimlje, not Štimlje. Gene Nygaard 01:55, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Sources

Google Print test

Google Scholar test

Amazon.com test

  • Searching for Stimlje: 22 books in English.
  • Searching for Shtime: 9 books in English.

The New York Times:

  • Searching for Stimlje: 16 results.
  • Searching for Shtime: 0 results.

International Herald Tribune:

  • Searching for Stimlje: 2 results.
  • Searching for Shtime: 0 results.

BBC:

  • Searching for Stimlje: 11 results.
  • Searching for Shtime: 1 result, mentioning the village of Racak (Stimlje/Shtime municipality).

CNN:

  • Searching for Stimlje: 7 results.
  • Searching for Shtime: 0 results.

Discussion

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Oppose strongly, it should be moved back to Shtime. There is a super majority of Albanians in Shtime and that is its name, continued use of Stimlje is now considered an insult among the majority population. Let's keep it neutral (talk) 11:02, 15 October 2014 (UTC)


Serbian name

I don't mind the Serbian name appearing in the title, except it needs to be realized that in the Republic of Kosovo, yes Serbian is a joint official language but not in Cyrillic, only on Latin. Continued use of Cyrillic is meaningless in Kosovo and its presence is even an offence to the majority population since it conjures up memories of Serbian nationalism and genocide against the Kosovar people. Please everyone make sure that Cyrillic is kept off. I think it is plentiful that we carry on using the Serbian name on the translation block. The Kosovar authorities are doing their best to be fair in a tense atmosphere and climate, in the Republic of Kosovo, all nationalities are equal, a world away from the hardline nationalist policies of Slobodan Milosevic which was the case before when Kosovo was in Serbia. Then Albanian wasn't aloud to be spoken but today, Serbian is aloud even at official levels. But remember, Latin only, no Cyrillic in Kosovo. Let's keep it neutral (talk) 11:08, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

I've run google books tests to see which is the Common Name in the English language and Stimlje is still currently more common than Shtime. In Wikipedia we use the most common and recognisable name in the English Language per WP:CommonName. We do not necessarily use the official name per WP:OFFICIALNAMES. I hope this helps. IJA (talk) 13:17, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

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Requested move 27 February 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Megan B.... It’s all coming to me till the end of time 18:32, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Štimlje → Shtime – Many articles about towns in Kosovo have seen title changes in recent years because name use on the internet, media and academic sources has shifted to Albanian.

Google trends: [1]

Shtime is more often used than Štimlje and the article should be moved to reflect common use per WP:COMMONNAME.--Maleschreiber (talk) 17:55, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

  • Support As per both GoogleScholar and GoogleBooks, Shtime is the WP:COMMONNAME. Looking at WP:NCGN it says that after the common English name, the name that should be used is the one used by the locals, that name is again Shtime. Alltan (talk) 19:25, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Support per the rationale of the nomination, Shtime is obviously the common name of the town. Ahmet Q. (talk) 22:57, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Support because this form is more common and the only one in use by the local population. Çerçok (talk) 12:20, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Strong Support as per detailed nomination. Iaof2017 (talk) 20:15, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Support seems like English usage is changing, we reflect this. --Calthinus (talk) 21:37, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 05:22, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. Botushali (talk) 05:29, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
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