Talk:Shura Council (Yemen)

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Did you know... that Yemen currently has two parliamentary upper houses?

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Regarding the government/offices[edit]

I'm not sure if the war in Yemen has complicated who holds what office in this body (info is somewhat scarce on this body in general) so if there are inaccuracies or additional concerns because of this please edit the article as necessary. Duonaut^{(talk | contribs)} 08:31, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

some of this is taken care of as of the DYK nomination. still, if any further considerations should be made feel free to notify me or add it yourself Duonaut^{(talk | contribs)} 04:48, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 22:05, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Yemen's upper house was established by amendment 21 years ago? Source: On 20 February 2001, a constitutional amendment made the legislature bicameral by adding the Shura Council. https://constitutionnet.org/country/yemen
- ALT1: ... that Yemen's Shura Council serves a primarily advisory role? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20190522174954/https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2018/yemen "...the largely advisory upper house of parliament, the Majlis al-Shura""
- ALT2: ... that proposals have been made to reform Yemen's Shura Council? Source: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/politics/yemen-to-amend-draft-constitution-expand-shura-council/81977 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/2/20/yemen-feuding-parties-agree-on-transitional-council
- Reviewed: first nomination
- Comment: ~~Requesting 20 February for main hook. Otherwise it doesn't matter.~~

Created by Duonaut (talk). Self-nominated at 22:07, 1 October 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Given that I’ve recently reviewed a lot of Yemeni politics articles, I shall take this one on. Awam King, could you please comment whether the content is up to date? Schwede 66 17:59, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, let's start. New article. Long enough. Earwig is happy. No QPQ needed as it's the nominator's first DYK (well done!). I shall have a look at the hooks once we have received input from Awam King on the article's content. Style-wise, you might want to go through the article, identify what are proper nouns, and what's left over should be lower case. Schwede 66 21:14, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming you were referring to the MOS:JOBTITLE guidelines and other inconsistencies, I believe I have fixed them. Duonaut^{(talk | contribs)} 22:46, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The content is up to date, but those proposals to reform Shura council haven't been made. But since 2015 there are two shural councils, one in Sana'a under Houthi control and other loyal to the legitimate government in Aden and Riyadh. However, Yemen Parliament is much more important than shurah council. User:Awam King 21:40, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's excellent to know, Awam King. Duonaut, could you please have a go at working that into the article? Schwede 66 22:27, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Sources may be sparse, however (they certainly were when writing it), so if you can point me in any direction I'll appreciate it. Otherwise I'll work in what I can find. Duonaut^{(talk | contribs)} 03:18, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Duonaut, Awam King might be the best-placed editor for that. Schwede 66 04:38, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have incorporated some info about the two councils now. Duonaut^{(talk | contribs)} 22:30, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's excellent. I feel that's a great improvement. As for a hook, I reckon there's an opportunity to build something around the fact that there are two upper houses. That could make a surprising and interesting hook fact that you don't usually get with politics articles. What do you think? I hope you don't feel like I'm making you jump through hoops here. Schwede 66 05:03, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Schwede66 and Duonaut: Would this work then?

ALT3 ... that there are currently two Shura Councils in Yemen as a result of the country's civil war?

ALT4 ... that as a result of the Yemeni Civil War, the country currently has two competing upper houses?

My current concern is that the sentence mentioning there being two Shura Councils is lacking a reference. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:46, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed; that needs to be added. Awam King suggested some references but there are also English language news sources online that talk about the Shura Council in Sana'a. With regards to hooks, I reckon it would be more powerful to not explain why there are two upper houses. Schwede 66 08:17, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How about this then?

ALT5 ... that Yemen currently has two upper houses?

ALT5a ... that Yemen currently has two parliamentary upper houses?

Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:59, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this fact would be a good hook. However, as of yet I only find things indirectly referencing the existence of two houses. Maybe it's hidden in Arabic somewhere. Assuming such a source can be found, though, I would like to move forward with this idea. Duonaut^{(talk | contribs)} 21:04, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps [1] would work for a source for the existence of the Houthi council. References the "Shura Council in Sanaa", and I believe this is a Houthi media outlet. A source for the Aden council would be easier to find, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on whether this is good enough first. Duonaut^{(talk | contribs)} 21:17, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think it'll do. Maybe give it a bit more context; this rather long article might help. Look for the phrase "Yet, it was the Houthis’ takeover of the Yemeni capital Sanaa in September 2014". Schwede 66 07:19, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sources added. Duonaut^{(talk | contribs)} 23:17, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Schwede66: I guess this is ready for a new look? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I shall summarise what's happening in this post for clarity. ALT5 and ALT5a are approved for consideration by the editor who promotes to prep. The sources for the overall situation are somewhat indirect but we sought advice from a Yemeni editor to have the article's content confirmed, and it was this editor who pointed out that there are two Shura Councils at present as a result of the ongoing civil war. It would be good for the promoting admin to confirm that the sources that we've got are good enough. Duonaut, there's one content issue that I'd like you to attend to: it says, for example in the infobox, that the President of Yemen appoints the members of the Shura Council. That's not entirely correct; the (one) president wouldn't appoint the membership of two opposing councils. In fact, as the relevant article explains, there is no president, but that function currently rests with Presidential Leadership Council (Aden government) and the Supreme Political Council (Sana'a government). This doesn't affect the DYK from getting approved, though. Thanks for bearing with me, Duonaut. Schwede 66 03:19, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I don't mind further suggestions or things to fix, so feel free to notify me if any exist. Duonaut^{(talk | contribs)} 07:41, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]