This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourcedmust be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.
This article was created or improved during the #1day1woman initiative hosted by the Women in Red project in 2023. The editor(s) involved may be new; please assume good faith regarding their contributions before making changes.Women in RedWikipedia:WikiProject Women in RedTemplate:WikiProject Women in RedWomen in Red articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
Sibil Pektorosoğlu is within the scope of WikiProject Armenia, an attempt to improve and better organize information in articles related or pertaining to Armenia and Armenians. If you would like to contribute or collaborate, you could edit the article attached to this page or visit the project page for further information.ArmeniaWikipedia:WikiProject ArmeniaTemplate:WikiProject ArmeniaArmenian articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Turkey, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Turkey and related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.TurkeyWikipedia:WikiProject TurkeyTemplate:WikiProject TurkeyTurkey articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women in Music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Women in music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women in MusicWikipedia:WikiProject Women in MusicTemplate:WikiProject Women in MusicWomen in music articles
A fact from Sibil Pektorosoğlu appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 15 April 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that Armenian-Turkish soprano Sibil Pektorosoğlu released her first album after singing in a church choir for almost twenty years?
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 09:35, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
... that Armenian-Turkish Sibil Pektorosoğlu sings in her second album a song in Aramaic-Syriac, which is known as the language that Jesus Christ spoke? Source: "There are eleven Armenian pieces in the album and one of the songs is in Aramaic-Syriac language which is known as Jesus Christ's spoken language." [1]
New, long enough, generally well-written (though one can sense through the sentence structure that the article was written by a native speaker of Turkish; I would advise fusing some of the phrases and varying the subject between "She" and "Pektorosoğlu", but this is not an absolute requirement); no plagiarism, image seems properly credited and licensed. Two concerns remain: (1) the lead does not summarize the article, and includes some banal facts about her that are superfluously referenced (the fact that she sings in Armenian is/would have to be in any case covered in the body of text) -- please consider expanding with more bio facts about her and removing the superfluous references from that portion; (2) the hook, while not uninteresting, is based on a primary source -- this would not necessarily be an issue, however it appears to be an issue here, because of the "Jesus Christ's spoken language" thing. Does she make a special issue of her singing in Christ's language? If so, then the hook would be reworded to something more relevant to her situation: "she sings in Aramaic, which she calls 'the language of Christ'", or something of that nature. This seems not to be the case, and the primary source simply informs Turkish readers, along the lines of "you might not know of this language, but it was spoken by Jesus" -- the sort of statement we would not base hooks on (like saying "she occasionally sings in Romanian, which is the language of Dracula"); in any case, we would not credit info about what language Christ spoke to promotional sites. To avoid this, I would advise that another info from the article is picked as the hook. Regards, Dahn (talk) 06:53, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Dahn: Thank you very much for your detailed review. (1) I don't know what is missing in the lead and which facts are banal and superfluously referenced. "Her songs in Armenian language" is mentioned in the text with reference. What kind of more facts about her bio is required? Which "superfluous references" in which "portion" I have to remove? Sorry, I really couldn't understand. Please give specific details for me. (2) Below, I offer an ALT-hook as requested:
ALT1 ... that Armenian-Turkish soprano Sibil Pektorosoğlu released her first album after singing in a church choir for almost twenty years? CeeGee 10:42, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@CeeGee: Please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section#Citations as to what I mean by the facts being superfluously cited (for instance, her singing in Armenian is not "likely to be challenged", precisely because it is a basic fact about her, and well referenced in the body of text). You might also consider expanding the lead to be a summary of her life and career, for instance that she is a lyric soprano, that she began singing in a church, or that she visited the Ani ruins. The lead is supposed to be an overview of facts referenced and discussed in more detail in the text after it.
That said, the new hook is AGF verified. Dahn (talk) 10:55, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Dahn: Thank you for the clarification. Copyediting of the lead will be done. CeeGee 11:01, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
New, long enough, generally well-written (though one can sense through the sentence structure that the article was written by a native speaker of Turkish; I would advise fusing some of the phrases and varying the subject between "She" and "Pektorosoğlu", but this is not an absolute requirement); no plagiarism, image seems properly credited and licensed. Two concerns remain: (1) the lead does not summarize the article, and includes some banal facts about her that are superfluously referenced (the fact that she sings in Armenian is/would have to be in any case covered in the body of text) -- please consider expanding with more bio facts about her and removing the superfluous references from that portion; (2) the hook, while not uninteresting, is based on a primary source -- this would not necessarily be an issue, however it appears to be an issue here, because of the "Jesus Christ's spoken language" thing. Does she make a special issue of her singing in Christ's language? If so, then the hook would be reworded to something more relevant to her situation: "she sings in Aramaic, which she calls 'the language of Christ'", or something of that nature. This seems not to be the case, and the primary source simply informs Turkish readers, along the lines of "you might not know of this language, but it was spoken by Jesus" -- the sort of statement we would not base hooks on (like saying "she occasionally sings in Romanian, which is the language of Dracula"); in any case, we would not credit info about what language Christ spoke to promotional sites. To avoid this, I would advise that another info from the article is picked as the hook. Regards, Dahn (talk) 06:53, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
AGF verified. Dahn (talk) 10:55, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
