This article is written in American English, which has its own spelling conventions (color, defense, traveled) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.
Siegfried Lederer's escape from Auschwitz is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so.
While the biographies of living persons policy does not apply directly to the subject of this article, it may contain material that relates to living persons, such as friends and family of persons no longer living, or living persons involved in the subject matter. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately. If such material is re-inserted repeatedly, or if there are other concerns related to this policy, please see this noticeboard.
This article is rated FA-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Germany, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Germany on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GermanyWikipedia:WikiProject GermanyTemplate:WikiProject GermanyGermany articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Czech Republic, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Czech Republic on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Czech RepublicWikipedia:WikiProject Czech RepublicTemplate:WikiProject Czech RepublicCzech Republic articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject European history, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the history of Europe on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.European historyWikipedia:WikiProject European historyTemplate:WikiProject European historyEuropean history articles
This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Jewish history, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Jewish history on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Jewish historyWikipedia:WikiProject Jewish historyTemplate:WikiProject Jewish historyJewish history-related articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Death, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Death on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DeathWikipedia:WikiProject DeathTemplate:WikiProject DeathDeath articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Discrimination, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Discrimination on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DiscriminationWikipedia:WikiProject DiscriminationTemplate:WikiProject DiscriminationDiscrimination articles
The sentence Because of his Catholic faith and infatuation with Renée Neumann, a Jewish prisoner, Pestek opposed the Holocaust jarred when I read it. Can we really know that those were the two primary reasons for his opposition? Perhaps he was simply a person with a conscience, with the strength of mind and courage to act on it. His faith and his love live may well have been related, but in my experience a person's core virtues are much deeper.
I propose deleting the sentence from the lead altogether. Onceinawhile (talk) 16:51, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Echoing Ceoil who suggested something similar; I reverted because the current version has an established consensus, but, of course, that can change if another consensus is reached.FWIW, I find Onceinawhile's argument not wholly unconvincing. ——Serial 16:55, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, read the article almost from top to bottom yesterday, and this was one of my few gripes. It reads funny and seems an implausible reach. Ceoil (talk) 17:02, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If you remove that, you remove the only explanation. SarahSV(talk) 20:07, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we normally explain why people oppose crimes against humanity.
I would be happy to turn it around, making an indirect connection without purporting to know the primary motivators: Pestek opposed the Holocaust; he was a devout Catholic and was infatuated with Renée Neumann, a Jewish prisoner.
We do normally explain if the person was a member of the SS. SarahSV(talk) 22:53, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support OIAW's suggestion, and mention of Pestek being an SS member is already in the preceding sentence (that is, the first). ——Serial 11:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Procedural close; filer indef blocked for page move disruption. No prejudice against any editor in good standing renominating the move request, albeit it may feel as if it was about to start snowing in here. (non-admin closure) SN54129 17:38, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose Both seem equally formal to me, but one is more concise. In general, we should prefer rearrangements to extra words like "of"; extra words make writing harder to follow, because they physically separate logically related concepts on the page. (Of course, if extra words add more precision, then we should prefer the more precise alternative. Such is not the case here.) The title is of limited length, so any damage done is minimal, but that's no reason to actively substitute a lesser alternative. Bernanke's Crossbow (talk) 02:48, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Escape from Auschwitz by Siegfried Lederer?, putting the most easily-remembered aspect at the beginning and avoiding the possessive construction (which I agree is a bit informal). That's only two characters longer than the current title. — BarrelProof (talk) 03:42, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, per Bernanke. The only change which might be arguable, in my view, is changing "Auschwitz" to "Auschwitz concentration camp" in line with our article title.—Brigade Piron (talk) 12:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - There's no significant difference between the current and proposed page title, nor is there a pressing (or even convincing) need to rename the page to begin with. Zhomron (talk) 17:14, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
