Talk:Siegfried Simsch

This page was proposed for deletion by Nightfury (talk · contribs) on 12 June 2017 with the comment:
Reverted good faith edits by Icewhiz (talk): Read talk page, ber k.e.coffman. (TW)
It was contested by Icewhiz (talk · contribs) on 2017-06-12 with the comment:
Undid revision 785265655 by Nordic Nightfury (talk) Put it up for AfD. I have read talk-page - this is an ongoing discussion regarding german WWII fighter aces (beyond just RFC).

This page was proposed for deletion by K.e.coffman (talk · contribs) on 11 June 2017 with the comment:
Reverted to revision 773564319 by K.e.coffman (talk): Restore redirect following a recent RfC -- pls see Talk page. (TW)
It was contested by Icewhiz (talk · contribs) on 2017-06-12 with the comment:
Undid revision 785134356 by K.e.coffman (talk) Notable ace with 54 kills.

This page was proposed for deletion by K.e.coffman (talk · contribs) on 3 April 2017 with the comment:
#REDIRECT List of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients (Schu–Sz) -- pls see Talk
It was contested by Icewhiz (talk · contribs) on 2017-04-23 with the comment:
Undid revision 773564319 by K.e.coffman (talk) notable ace

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Notability[edit]

Does not meet WP:SOLDIER & sig RS coverage not found: link, just passing mentions. Did not hold a significant command.

No de.wiki article. Please also see a note at MilHist Talk Archives for background behind the redirect. In summary, per the outcome of the discussion at Notability:People on notability of Knight's Cross recipients: permalink, certain recipients were deemed non notable and WP:SOLDIER has been modified accordingly: diff. The articles of these recipients are being redirected to alphabetical lists. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:11, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Notable due to his status as a Flying ace with a high claimed kills counts. As you can see in List of World War II flying aces - flyers with a much smaller kill count have articles - with the notability being their kill count and nothing else. Being an aerial ace (with a significant count for a particular conflict - 5 would be borderline for WWII, but would confer significance in any other conflict - mid-double digits and up for WWII is clearly significant). notable per SOLDIER: " Played an important role in a significant military event such as a major battle or campaign" - kill counts of these magnitude are a significant material and personnel (aviation - expensive to train) advantage. Soviets were competitive in the air from the end of 1942 and onward - and in event taking out a regiment sized enemy force - Aviation regiment (Soviet Union) single handed is significant regardless of opposition quality.Icewhiz (talk) 10:40, 23 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

RfC on flying aces[edit]

A recent MilHist RfC, which aimed to modify SOLDIER to cover those with ace status, concluded w/o arriving at a consensus that flying aces should be presumed to be notable. Here's the RfC in question: RfC on notability of flying aces. I thus restored the redirect. Please let me know if there are any concerns. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:05, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Take this one to an AfD. This is an ace with 54 kills. Maybe do the afd as a group on german aces with approx. same kill count range, and sourcing/notability beyond being an ace.Icewhiz (talk) 04:09, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Really no point, as per K.e.coffmann. In short, WP:REDIRECTSARECHEAP. Nördic Nightfury 14:57, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect, in this case, is tantamount to deleting this article. I suspect this fighter ace, with 54 kills, will pass AfD - or at least there won't be a consensus to delete. The featured article today - Roy Phillipps is an ace with 15 kills. The correct course of action here - is AfD. A similar ace - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hugo Broch was closed as no consensus recently.Icewhiz (talk) 15:08, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]