Talk:Siemens ACS-64

Paint Scheme Finalized

http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/BlobServer?blobcol=urldata&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobkey=id&blobwhere=1249230571499&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobheadername1=Content-disposition&blobheadervalue1=attachment;filename=Amtrak_AmtrakInk-081511.pdf

It would be nice if someone who knows how to update the page image rendering could do that. Fan Railer (talk) 00:55, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done Small, blurry, and for some reason, enlarged in the infobox. But it works. — Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 01:44, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, and not a problem, just added the desired display size in the infobox.-Fan Railer (talk) 01:21, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Refs and changes -please note and double check

This edit [1] looks difficult to understand so I'll explain what I've done:

• Some refs didn't match the text - fixed
• A couple refs were dead - I removed them and replaced with railwaygazette link which should be reliable
• tidied up sources/press release - especially the useful railway age article

However The previous version claimed that:

the locomotives will be manufactured in Florin, California "Amtrak orders 70 electric locomotives from Siemens". International Railway Journal. 29 October 2010. Retrieved 2010-10-30.,"Amtrak contracts Siemens to supply 70 electric locomotives". Progressive Railroading. 29 October 2010. Retrieved 29 October 2010. with secondary work occurring at Siemens facilities in Norwood, Ohio and Alpharetta, Georgia."Amtrak to spend $466 million to buy 70 locomotives for Northeast, Keystone corridors". Chicago Tribune. 28 October 2010. Retrieved 30 October 2010.

The railwaygazette article says Norcross and Alpharette, Georgia whilst the above says Norwood, Ohio. - I can't confirm this because the links are dead, and the one link that isn't doesn't say anything.

If this needs fixing please fix or say so. - Needs sources.Mddkpp (talk) 03:59, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Also I removed the

Service:200 km/h (124 mph)
Design:217 km/h (135 mph)Joan Lowy. "Amtrak to spend $466 million to buy 70 locomotives from German manufacturer Siemens". www.google.com. Canadian Press.

from the infobox - it simply doesn't match the other sources that should be reliable that give a top service speed of 200. The link is also dead. If this is wrong please mention it. (What I mean is that the other sources state the loco was designed for 125mph - I'm not sure what to make of the higher figure)Mddkpp (talk) 04:12, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

• http://www.domain-b.com/companies/companies_s/Siemens/20101029_amtrak_oneView.html <--- Here's the link for the maximum design speed of 135 mph. Fan Railer (talk) 00:27, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Brakes

I'm not sure if I'm reading http://www.nist.gov/mep/upload/specs_single_level_passenger_rail_car.pdf right but I think this only really refers to the passenger cars -so it's dependant on the cars - It should only say the type of activition. (eg pneumatic, vacuum, electrical activation, none etc)

Obviously it can be infered that the locomotives can supply pneumatic air - but this needs a direct statement.Oranjblud (talk) 01:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Tractive Effort Curves

This image is not too high in resolution, but if it is enlarged, it can be inferred that the continuous effort is around 280 kN at around 55 mph and levels out at a little about 100 kN at max speed of 125 mph. http://content.dvvmedia.com/dvv_dev1/gsa/2011/10-27/72/ec/7d/dvv-620g8nf3bat3bnxt1bi_thumbnail.jpg Fan Railer (talk) 00:09, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

The image is from [2] ?

Too small for me to see, that must be

• A new face in the Northeast Corridor: locomotive borrowing heavily from the proven Eurosprinter and more recent Vectron designs, Siemens Mobility is adapting European electric locomotive technology to produce the ACS64 'Amtrak Cities Sprinter' for North America's busiest inter-city passenger route, Railway Gazette International, 1 Sep 2011 abstract

280kN @ 55mph is about 6.6MW, which is near but a little high for the rated output of 6.4 MW, the other figure works out at about 5.5 to 5.6MW which seems to low.. Usually the rated power is reached at 20-60mph and then the locomotive continues to be able to work at full power (lower tractive force as speed increases in a smooth curve) up to top speed. At 6.4MW the tractive effort would theoretically be about 115kN at 200km/h (125mph).

I tried the http://business.highbeam.com/435126/article-1G1-269692141/new-face-northeast-corridor-locomotive-borrowing-heavily version - but it didn't have the images.Oranjblud (talk) 11:41, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

• • This video seems to show the continuous rating to be around 255 kN (57,000 lbf) - 260 kN (58,000 lbf) @ 89 km/h (55 mph) and 115 kN (26,000 lbf) - 120 kN (27,000 lbf) @ 193 km/h (120 mph):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJMhKgEnnNc Fan Railer (talk) 06:13, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Finally, a detailed document with this information:http://www.mobility.siemens.com/mobility/global/SiteCollectionDocuments/en/rail-solutions/locomotives/customspecific-solutions/DB-Amtrak-EN.pdf Fan Railer (talk) 21:50, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Excellent - I was just about to add that but you beat me to it. Well done. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:08, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

First Unit Entering Service

If anyone reads this talk page, the first locomotive (600) is schedule to make its first revenue run on Northeast Regional train 171 on Friday, February 7th, 2014. Source from several Amtrak employees, and baring any unforeseen circumstances, should happen as planned. Fan Railer (talk) 05:09, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

• @Pi.1415926535: are you actually in the Boston area? Any chance you can get an action shot of 171 on its way out? Mackensen (talk) 12:33, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Oof, with an 8:15am departure? Look at my contributions; I'm up till 3 half the time. I'll make an attempt if I can't catch it in daylight on Thursday. I do have a first revenue trip thing going. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:13, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Word is it'll get into Boston around 10 pm tonight. Mackensen (talk) 13:19, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I grabbed a couple shots from Readville, none of them great. It's hard getting a shot of something moving at 120mph. I put the best in the article. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 16:05, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

what kind of motors?

The article does not state the kind of electric motors used. I think they are probaby synchronous AC motors with a variable frequency drive, but I would like it more if the article said so. I would like to know that they are not the old-style DC motors. Also, if they are synchronous motors, do they have permananent magnet rotors? --AJim (talk) 03:31, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 29 May 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 19:21, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

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Amtrak Cities Sprinter → Siemens ACS-64 – The ACS-64 is the formal name of this locomotive model and the format Siemens ACS-64 conforms to our other articles on North American locomotives. Compare Category:Electric locomotives of the United States and especially Category:Diesel locomotives of the United States. Now that SEPTA has placed an order the current name seems especially inappropriate. Note also, anecdotally, most sources refer to this as the "ACS-64" and not the "Cities Sprinter". --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 00:42, 6 June 2015 (UTC) Mackensen (talk) 12:37, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

• Support, referred to as ACS-64 in SEPTA order ([3]). Conifer (talk) 17:24, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

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Why UIC classification?

This is a locomotive in service with Amtrak, and only used in North America. Wouldn't AAR classification be more appropriate? That's what we use in North America; I doubt Amtrak calls it a "Bo' Bo'" in their records..45Colt 20:43, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Names

The updated Siemens datasheet now does say "American Cities Sprinter", and "Amtrak Cities Sprinter" has fallen into disuse. I'm not sure either name should be mentioned prominently, but they should probably be mentioned somewhere. Mackensen (talk) 19:17, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

SEPTA ACS-64

Time to get pictures of the SEPTA ACS-64, including delivery and testing. And also do take pictures once it goes into service as well. Davidng913 (talk) 19:32, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Service with SEPTA (please update when necessary)

 In 2016, Amtrak leased one of its Acs-64's to SEPTA for testing, after SEPTA had ordered 15 of their own. In 2018, SEPTA's first Acs-64 (901), entered service. SEPTA's Acs-64's are used for SEPTA's Regional Rail week day rush hour express services on the Thorndale Line, Trenton Line, Wilmington/Newark Line, Media/Elwyn Line, and the West Trenton Line, although not every express is an Acs-64. On the Thorndale Line, service numbers "#9590" and "#9592" heading west to Philadelphia, and either "#9591" or "#9595," and "#1593" heading east to Paoli and Thorndale usually tend to be Acs-64's. On the Trenton Line, services "#9744" to Philadelphia and "#9759" to Trenton are usually Acs-64's. On the West Trenton Line, "#6365" and "#6307" heading to Philadelphia and "#6334" and "#6336" to West Trenton are Acs-64's. On the Wilmington/Newark Line, "#9213" and "9241" to  Delaware and "#9204" and "#9250" to Philadelphia are usually Acs-64's. On the Media/Elwyn Line, "#9368" to Philadelphia and "#9347" to Elwyn can be Acs-64's. (Results not 100% guaranteed.) All the Acs-64's are facing west (toward the former Pennsylvania Railroad lines.) In forward operation, the rear pantograph is in use. In reverse operation, the front pantograph is in use. (As a final note, rememberer that although every Acs-64 is an express, (currently,) not every express is an Acs-64.)

 (Whoops, I meant to put this in the article.)

This is not supported by any sources, and everything after the first two sentences is simply trivia anyhow. If you add it in its current form, it will be removed. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:46, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Developed from/developed into info for ACS-64

“ |developed from = Vectron (locomotive)

|variants with their own articles = Siemens Charger ”

The ACS-64 has been in-service before the Charger (hints the order) if you know where to include the information previously mentioned above please do and if possible, let me know. I don’t know where is the right place.

(PS: I planned on including the previously mentioned above in its respective article; Again, I don’t know where is the right place.)

--Sroth0616 (talk) 20:06, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but the article already says that the ACS-64 was developed from the Vectron. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:58, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Tense mixed up?

»The locomotives are designed to be capable of [...]. They had advanced safety systems[...].«

This is unclear to me. I do not understand from this if the locomotives have these safety systems now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Verb_tense 2A02:810A:8340:661C:9E3:1964:D966:723C (talk) 09:45, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

What horn?

What Horn does the ACS-64 Use? Nathan K5-LA? I am unsure.  108.18.211.185 (talk) 03:35, 3 March 2023 (UTC)