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Accreditation section[edit]

IP users at 5.71.31.133 and 130.88.99.222, please stop removing the paragraph on the International Accreditation Organization from the Accreditation section without offering a rationale or refuting its statements with cites from reliable sources. This is valid information which is strongly sourced. As the university's own website claims accreditation by this organization, it is clearly relevant. Nick Number (talk) 14:35, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This applies to 130.88.12.235 too. You need to come here and provide a very good reason why that information should not be included in the article. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 11:28, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

IP user at 130.88.12.235, I'm reproducing the two comments you left on my Talk page here so that others can weigh in:

The references 4,5,6,7 are not relevant to SOAU and readers. It has nothing to do with the accreditation agency. So "The university also claims certification by the International Accreditation Organization,[4] a website which The New York Times and other sources have reported as a distributor of illegitimate degrees.[5][6][7]' and the references 4-7 need to be deleted. It is not good for wikipedia to show something irrelevant and ridiculous. Readers will get annoyed! Can you find the name of SOAU in the IAO wikipedia link? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axact Check and let me know. So showing this in SOAU wikipedia page is irrelevant!. SOAU has not taken any accreditation from such face websites. So these unsubstantiated references needs to be deleted!

I'm afraid that I don't understand your assertions. The fact that the university isn't explicitly mentioned in the NYT's admittedly-incomplete list in the Axact article doesn't have any bearing on this - IAO is listed as one of Axact's brands, and the university's own website cites accreditation by IAO. That seems to me to be something that readers would be glad to know, rather than annoyed. Nick Number (talk) 15:48, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I will note that I received the same two messages on my talk page.

First of all, thank you IP user for starting this discussion rather than continuing to just delete. Your claim that SOAU has not taken any accreditation from such face websites is incorrect though. IAO is currently listed at the bottom of the University's Awards & Ranking page. Whilst that claim remains on the university's website, I think it is fair that the information remains in the article. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 01:15, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

130.88.12.235 (talk) 10:26, 18 April 2016 (UTC)it might have occurred in the past. presently it is accredited to UGC, Govt of India. It has been given the highest A grade by NAAC in India. It ranks 26th in the recent university ranking by govt. of India. so this sentence in the section Accreditation and Ranking should be deleted![reply]

130.88.12.235 (talk) 10:34, 18 April 2016 (UTC)It could be AIAO (American International Accreditation Organization). See the webpage http://www.aiao-bar.org/so the last sentence in the section Accreditation and Ranking should be deleted! 130.88.12.235 (talk) 10:37, 18 April 2016 (UTC)It could be AIAO (American International Accreditation Organization). See the webpage http://www.aiao-bar.org/ . so the last sentence in the section Accreditation and Ranking should be deleted![reply]

130.88.12.235 (talk) 10:44, 18 April 2016 (UTC)It is AIAO (American International Accreditation Organization). See the webpage http://www.aiao-bar.org/ . so the last sentence in the section Accreditation and Ranking should be deleted![reply]

Sorry but no way. That company deals with accreditation of companies that certify other businesses for ISO certifictaes. I am familiar with the ISO system and I am sure that link has absolutely nothing to do with the university in India. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 10:53, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

130.88.12.235 (talk) 11:44, 18 April 2016 (UTC)See services of AIAO. It also grants accreditation to Training Course Providers i.e. to educational institutes! for clarification you may contact university administration!! E-mail: info@soauniversity.ac.in Telephone: +91-674- 2350635, 2350791, Fax: +91 - 674 - 2350642[reply]

130.88.12.235 (talk) 11:44, 18 April 2016 (UTC)presently it is accredited to UGC, Govt of India. It has been given the highest A grade by NAAC in India. It ranks 26th in the recent university ranking by govt. of India. so this sentence in the section Accreditation and Ranking should be deleted![reply]

Do you have a citation from either AIAO or an independent source showing this? The university's website mentions the acronyms IOA and AIO, but not AIAO.

I went ahead and emailed info@aiao-bar.org to see if they could shed any light on the matter. Nick Number (talk) 15:08, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

130.88.12.235 (talk) 15:22, 18 April 2016 (UTC)There is only one accreditation organization in USA i.e. AIAO. But this webpage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axact is pakistan based!Indian universities do not get accreditation from Pakistani websites! So there is a typo there in the SOAU webpage and it should be written as AIAO instead. for further clarification on this please contact the University administration. E-mail: info@soauniversity.ac.in Telephone: +91-674- 2350635, 2350791, Fax: +91 - 674 - 2350642. Any ambiguous sentences and references need to be removed from wikipedia webpages to maintain quality standard.[reply]

I am not going to contact the university, because that would be original research for a start. AIAO-BAR is a company that deals with the accreditation of other businesses that perform audits for ISO and other certificates. You can read exactly what AIAO-BAR does at this page. Are you trying to suggest to us that SOA University performs ISO audits of other businesses?

Here is my take on the situation. The university is recognized domestically, with various rankings included the 26th mentioned above. But the school has no international recognition, so they obtained some from IAO (not AIAO-BAR, because they would have used the full name AIAO-BAR).

If and when the university removes the mention of IAO from its own website, or if the university receives other international recognition from a more reliable organization, then we can consider whether the mention of IAO is necessary due to WP:WEIGHT. Currently, because it is the only non-Indian name listed on the university's own "Awards & Ranking" page, then I think the description of IAO should stay. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 01:55, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I concur, barring the introduction of some credible third-party references. Nick Number (talk) 03:23, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

130.88.12.235 (talk) 10:28, 19 April 2016 (UTC)Do you have any confirmation that SOAU is accredited to Pakistan based IAO as the link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axact) in the SOAU Wikipedia page suggests? If you are not sure, then you should remove the entire ambiguous sentence and references. By the way, well established Indian Universities do not need foreign accreditation. As you know SOAU is well accredited with Indian Government agencies. Even if these references stay in the Wikipedia pages nothing will happen to the University's reputation and functioning. People of India believe in Indian accreditation agencies than foreign accreditation agencies. Therefore baseless and ambiguous sentences and references should be removed to maintain Wikipedia standard.[reply]

A similar discussion has just started at Talk:T. R. Abhilashi Memorial Institute of Engineering and Technology. Nick Number (talk) 14:27, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see that the mention of IAO is finally gone from the university's website. So maybe we can have an end to this saga. Nick Number (talk) 17:29, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I assume you are referring to this page. I agree that it is no longer necessary. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 00:26, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to Merge, no objections raised. Muhandes (talk) 12:12, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I propose that Institute of Technical Education and Research (ITER) be merged into Siksha 'O' Anusandhan (SOA). I think that the content in the ITER article can easily be explained in the context of SOA, and the SOA article is of a reasonable size that the merging of ITER will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Also, according to ITER's website,^[1] ITER is a faculty of SOA, and common practice is that unless general notability can be shown, faculties are discussed as part of the institute. --Muhandes (talk) 17:35, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "ITER". SIKSHA 'O' ANUSANDHAN. Retrieved 9 December 2017.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[1] "ITER". SIKSHA 'O' ANUSANDHAN. Retrieved 9 December 2017.

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