Talk:Sinai Peninsula

Exodus from Egypt

What are people's opinions regarding a possible inclusion of the Exodus narrative in regards to Sinai? Valley2city 06:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Definitely. Amoruso 12:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

15 years on and we only have an Islamist section on that, written at the poorest level imaginable. It's an unacceptable mix of Islamic religious views sprinkled with biblical and scientific bits (Hyksos are not in Islamic sources), as if it were all one coherent body of data with the three sources supporting each other, and thus creating the false impression of historicity and of total agreement between the Hebrew Bible and Islamic views on the Exodus. It's stunning that this is allowed to stay on page.

Somebody did the right thing and added to the lead de Vaux's conclusion that calling that particular peninsula "Sinai" is a modern Christian thing, based on a 4th-century Byzantine tradition. (I'm yet to understand how this is indeed "modern", but that's not the main issue here.) This, coupled with the fact that the Exodus is a biblical narrative lacking historicity, with a consensus across academia in this regard, should be expanded on. Arminden (talk) 15:05, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Ancient Egyptian and traditional Arabic names

The article is unclear about when the Arabic name derived from "Sinai" was adopted for the peninsula; it seems to only refer to the Christian "Mount Sinai" (the mount, not the peninsula) as being called Jebel et-Tūr in the 19th century (a very generic name, "Mount Mountain" more or less, practically a no-name). What about the peninsula? What are the traditional names used by its Bedouin inhabitants? What about Coptic traditions? What happened in the transition periods (ancient-to-Christian era, Chr.-to-Arab Islamic era)? Arminden (talk) 15:05, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

The article tries to contradict that the name is purely based on the Christian identification of "Mt Sinai" by trying to create a link to ancient deities and cults, but fails to show how that connection played out in reality, as there is no evidence that either the ancient Egyptians, or the Israelites, ever used a similar name for this specific region; and both these cultures have left a lot of written records. That's why modern authors were able to hypothetically place the Exodus, and thus Sinai, in the Arabian Peninsula. Not that anyone buys it, but a lack of explicit evidence leads to a vacuum used by the imaginative for fantasy solutions.

As an encyclopedia, Wiki should touch on all this in the article, rather than mix half-understood and unmixable bits and pieces at a primary school level. Arminden (talk) 15:05, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Deleted external links

External link or links have recently been deleted by User:Calton as "horrible Tripod pages which add little information, are full of ads, and fail WP:EL standards." No better external links were substituted. Readers may like to judge these deleted links for themselves, by opening Page history. --Wetman 14:58, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Ancient Agricultural People in the Sinai

Why is there no mention of the fact that the entire drainage system from the south-central highlands to the Mediterranean, and the plains of the northern Negev and highlands of the western Negev was once farmland? You seem to think that the Sinai has always been sparsely populated, whereas it was in truth once home to what must have been many tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.3.168 (talk)

Is Sinai part of Africa or Asia

This article and several others dont clarify this question. The "southwest asia" article has a map with Sinai colored-in as part of southwest Asia, and says Egypt is not considered a south-west asian country. Although like Turkey, there is no reason why a country can't be in two continents. My opinion ( and it is only that ) is that Sinai is more geologically attached to Asia than Africa. The Suez canal would be an appropriate boundary. The "Eilat" article says that town is on the boundary of Asia and Africa which presumably implies that the Israel-Egypt border is the boundary. Someone with more expertise than me needs to clarify this. Eregli bob 09:09, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I am no expert in the subject. But the article about Sinai in the Hebrew Wikipedia explicitly says that Sinai is located in south-west Asia. No reference is given, though. Ehudzel (talk) 09:34, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I came to this article specifically to answer the question: Asia or Africa? It would be wonderful for someone to help answer this question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.141.201.162 (talk) 20:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

A hint to the answer should be that Egypt is regarded as a bicontinental country. Leo1pard (talk) 16:43, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

The Sinai and Israel both sit on the African Plate. So there's that. 50.101.248.225 (talk) 00:34, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Broken Link

"Voyages...Visages" - Another way of travelling and seeing I keep on timing out on this, does it work for anyone else? Horus (talk) 21:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

It works but you didn't miss anything - just a link to a website with some amateurish pics of some kids & people that someone took in his various travels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.3.168 (talk) 14:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Geography and Geology?

Where are the geographical features of this land, i.e. formation, composition, geological history... Only history and tourist info? Please expand this article, that's really relevant information! Al-Iskandar Tzaraath (talk) 09:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree. It appears to be a land bridge between Africa and Eurasia. This must have (had) important consequences concerning migration patterns and speciation. 213.47.144.254 (talk) 19:42, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Amazing

But this article actually EXCLUDES any mention of why the name Sinai is used, and any significance for the Jews! Antisemitism in Wikipedia is alive an well 120.22.219.202 (talk) 11:22, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Making accusations of 'Anti-semitism' merely because an article does not contain a specific piece of information you feel should be included is both irresponsible and insulting. There is a Jewish Wikiproject which looks over this article (the link is above). Perhaps you should raise the matter on their project page. Manning (talk) 03:31, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

NPOV dispute

There's an NPOV dispute going on between an IP and myself. Here's a diff. I regard the changes being made as slanted towards a overly Pro-Egyptian bias. Other editor's input sought. Manning (talk) 00:02, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree that the changes proposed by the IP are not NPOV. I don't object to "liberate", but terms like "Israeli intransigence" and "Egypt's repeated overtures of peace" (instead of "proposals") are not neutral. Also, reference to Palestine and Palestinian territories is anachronistic. Further, changing from U.S. to British spelling conventions is against the Wikipedia MOS. Wilson44691 (talk) 13:24, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

The IP is persisting with the changes, despite my attempt to start discussion here. I'm at the edge of a 3RR violation, so I'm dropping out. I've logged this at AN/I. Manning (talk) 01:24, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

I can live with the recent changes for now. Next time such changes should be done in stages and discussed in the talk pages when contentious. Manning was right to revert when there was no discussion. The Straits of Tiran, by the way, were never entirely Egyptian "territorial waters". Wilson44691 (talk)

Strangely, all IP's is located in England (At least their exchanges are). Btw, this was taken to ANI. And I'm surprised this page wasn't locked, too --Nutthida (talk) 23:14, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Added my 2 cents. Deleted "liberated" which is unnecessary (doesn't add anything) and the supposed motivations for the Yom Kippur War (why was it labeled the "October War"? The mainstream namefor the war is the Yom Kippur War) are unnecessary as well, especially given that one of Egypt's stated aims was the destruction of Israel, or to use the Arab regime's language the liberation of all of "Palestine". Also, Syria was instrumental in launching the war as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.122.118.12 (talk) 23:03, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Liberate is the correct term as the territoriy in question is and was sovereign Egyptian territory, and recognised as such by the United Nations. Use of this term does not indicate support or condemnation for one belligerant or another. The claim that "one of Egypt's stated aims was the destruction of Israel" is incorrect in this instance, and is contrary to the fact that prior to the war the Egyptian government under Sadat had requested direct U.S. assistance in brokering a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel based on 'land for peace'. The stated goal of "destruction" is really from the Nasser era, not from the period of Sadat's presidency. Sadat's stated goal was the liberation of Sinai. Secondly, reference to October War is appropriate in this context as this is the term used in the state of which the territory that is the subject of the article is a component part (namely Egypt), and is a known alternative name for the conflict in English. 86.162.174.49 (talk) 13:05, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

It looks like the IP editor from the discussion above ended up rewriting quite a lot of the history section of article. The result is downright propagandist. Heptor _talk 17:35, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Edits about the conflicts

On 7 December, Shalom11111 made an edit about the conflicts between Arabs and Israelis. There has been an edit war since then instead of having an discussion. Gareth Griffith-Jones have reverted edits of those changing to the older, stable version. I see that as I am writing this, he has reverted my edit instead of talking.

It's a known controversy. Shalom11111 know very well about that. He went to Six-Day War#Preemptive strike v. unjustified attack where he copied the Israeli view and ignoring the other and changed the article from Israel invaded and occupied Sinai during the Suez Crisis (known in Egypt as the Tripartite Aggression) of 1956, and during the Six Day War of 1967 to Israel had to take a pre-emptive strike against Egypt in the face of a planned invasion,[2] later on capturing Sinai during the Suez Crisis (known in Egypt as the Tripartite Aggression) of 1956, and during the Six Day War of 1967. First of all, the source used (BBC) is about the 1967 war. It has of course nothing to do with the 1956 war. Secondly, it is written that "Israel claimed it was a pre-emptive strike in the face of a planned invasion" so to present it as a fact is wrong.

The second part of the edit was changing it from "Subsequent to Egyptian actions, Israel attacked Egypt, Syria, and Jordan, starting the Six-Day War" to "Subsequent to Egyptian actions, Israel attacked Egypt, and was then attacked by Syria and Jordan, which started the Six-Day War". This is not a neutral view. If you look at Six-Day War, it is stated "The war began on June 5 with Israel launching surprise strikes against Egyptian air-fields in response to the mobilisation of Egyptian forces on the Israeli border" in the lead and that it's an accurate description. --IRISZOOM (talk) 21:19, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

For some days, the article has had the earlier wording. I hope it will stay neutral. --IRISZOOM (talk) 20:18, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Does the Sinai mountain range extend into Eilat?

Does the Sinai mountain range extend into Eilat? I am not speaking of the political "Sinai" mountain range but the physical, geographical mountain range. Looking at the map it seems decidedly so, except I can find no reference concerning this anywhere.CWatchman (talk) 12:42, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Large Gap in History

One would get the impression here that nothing happened here between 1313BC and 1260AD. No visits by Helena, mother of Constantine? Nothing happened here for hundreds of years? 155.213.224.59 (talk) 20:01, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

The notion that Mt. Sinai is located in the Sinai Peninsula was propogated by Helena, the mother of Constantine, who is hardly a reliable and unbiased source. There is hard evidence (photographs) of Mt. Sinai being in Arabia (which is exactly where the apostle Paul said it was). The photographs not only show a scorched mountaintop [Exodus 19] but also show the corrall where the sacrificial animals were kept prior to their being offered according to G-d's instructions. Daniel Baggett (talk) 19:39, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

References

1967

At the moment the article makes it appear as though Egyptian actions in the Sinai in 1967 were merely an attempt to militarise the area. In fact, they were a response to at least two events, an Israeli attack on an Egyptian military base in which Egyptian troops died and a false warning passed to Egypt by the Soviet Union that Israel was about to attack Syria.     ←   ZScarpia   11:09, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Remained a part of Egypt?

The second paragraph starts with "The Sinai Peninsula has remained a part of Egypt from the First Dynasty of ancient Egypt (c. 3100 BC) until the 21st century" then goes on to document a number of times when it was not part of Egypt. Should the first sentence be less adamant? ˥ Ǝ Ʉ H Ɔ I Ɯ (talk) 22:25, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Actually, it doesn't mention several times it wasn't. It mentions that when Egypt was under foreign occupation, Sinai was included in that; it then says that Israel occupied it in the 20th century. I think that the only change necessary is to fix the 21st to 20th. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:51, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

I would like to add to this point by asking: what is meant by "Egypt" in the sentence in question? Since it can't mean an Egyptian political power does it mean that the geography we now call Egypt has always been defined in a way that includes the Sinai peninsula? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.135.215.87 (talk) 22:07, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

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Population

The 1,400,000 population figure was added to the article 5 years ago in this edit, without a source. It says that the North+South governorates were 554,000, so the three Suez governorates east of the Canal were c.850,000. But the book below suggests this is not true. It says that “Over 94 percent of the areaand probably 97 percent of the population are found in the large governorates, leaving less than 6 percent of the area and 3 percent of the population attached to As Suways (Suez), Al Ismailiyah (Ismailia),and Bur Said (Port Said) governorates.”

• Greenwood, Ned (1997). The Sinai: A Physical Geography. University of Texas Press. p. 5. ISBN 978-0-292-72799-1.

Onceinawhile (talk) 21:55, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Anwar Sadat

Perhaps someone with permission can change article text from "Sadat" to: [Anwar Sadat|Sadat] or something similar. 2019-10-18 22:24 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.39.107.214 (talk)

 Done--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 04:10, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

An Edit

In the name section, the Hebrew word סֶנֶּה needs to be changed to סְנֶה seneh "brambles", and linked to the Burning Bush. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.26.147.131 (talk) 21:25, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Egypt was successful in retaking Sinai

The Egyptians managed to penetrate the Sinai Peninsula by destroying the bar lev line and eventually putting troops in Sinai, while there was an attempt to breach through the army to Isamalia, they failed to take the city so Sinai was under the Egyptian troops right before international intervention which is why they were able to keep the Peninsula — Preceding unsigned comment added by UnknownWisp (talk • contribs) 18:53, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Read, man, read. Don't believe the propaganda, look for high-standard sources. Good luck. Ah, and take the vaccine, there's no chip inside. Arminden (talk) 17:00, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 January 2021

Add the coptic name ⲥⲓⲛⲁ Sina in "names" Tehenu (talk) 05:47, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Seagull123 Φ 22:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Exodus according to Islamic Sources - Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 November 2022

Remove the "The Exodus according to Islamic sources" section completely. This is completely unsourced (and dubious historical accuracy), has nothing to do with the article, and is blatantly a pro-Islamic propaganda insert which is a violation of lacking bias. Sarstan (talk) 23:56, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Done. --Mvqr (talk) 11:54, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Eilat

Is Eilat located in the peninsula? 2A02:14F:178:7A36:0:0:4854:70F1 (talk) 10:38, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 April 2023

The process by which Egypt regained control of the Sinai Peninsula after it was occupied by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War involved a combination of diplomatic negotiations, military confrontation, and international pressure. Here are some key events and factors:

After the 1967 war, the United Nations Security Council passed Resolution 242, which called for the "withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict." This resolution became the basis for subsequent diplomatic efforts to resolve the conflict. In 1971, President Anwar Sadat of Egypt expelled Soviet military advisers from the country and began to seek closer relations with the United States. This shift in foreign policy was partly motivated by a desire to regain control of the Sinai Peninsula and end the state of war with Israel. In 1973, Egypt and Syria launched a surprise attack on Israel on the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur, which led to a brief but intense war. Egyptian and Syrian forces defeated Israeli forces and pushed them out of Israel. This led the United States to intervene and support Israel militarily so that Egypt and Syria could not invade the rest of Israel. The war demonstrated that Israel was not invincible and that it drew its strength from the United States, and did not have any strength of its own. In the aftermath of the war, the United States, under the leadership of Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, initiated a series of secret negotiations between Egypt and Israel, known as the "shuttle diplomacy." Through these talks, the two sides reached an agreement in 1978, known as the Camp David Accords, which included a framework for the return of the Sinai to Egyptian control. In 1979, Egypt and Israel signed a peace treaty that formalized the terms of the Camp David Accords and led to the withdrawal of Israeli forces from the Sinai. The treaty also established diplomatic relations between the two countries and provided for security arrangements and economic cooperation. The process of regaining control of the Sinai was a significant achievement for Egypt and marked a turning point in its relations with Israel and the United States. However, the treaty also sparked controversy and opposition within Egypt and the Arab world, as it was seen by some as a betrayal of the Palestinian cause and a capitulation to Israeli demands. 86.191.189.12 (talk) 08:43, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Lightoil (talk) 09:28, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Yom Kippur War

Hello. It says that Egypt launched the Yom Kippur War in an attempt to recapture Sinai from Israel. That’s not true, Sadat claimed that Egypt’s objective was to capture a small foothold in Sinai and use it to pressure the government of Israel to give up the whole peninsula as he knew that he did not have the military capabilities to recapture Sinai from Israel. 197.39.143.186 (talk) 17:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Potential Source for Tourism Section

I am unable to edit the page given that it is protected, but under the Tourism Section there is a citation needed in regards to the following quote

"Since the Israeli–Egyptian peace treaty, Sinai's scenic spots (including coral reefs offshore) and religious structures have become important to the tourism industry. The most popular tourist destination in Sinai are Mount Sinai (Jabal Musa) and St Catherine's Monastery, which is considered to be the oldest working Christian monastery in the world, and the beach resorts of Sharm el-Sheikh, Dahab, Nuweiba and Taba. Most tourists arrive at Sharm el-Sheikh International Airport, through Eilat, Israel and the Taba Border Crossing, by road from Cairo or by ferry from Aqaba in Jordan."

The source is on this ScienceDirect page: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261517799000229

It specifically mentions tourism to the coral reefs, Mount Sinai, the St Catherine Monastery, and Sharm el-Sheikh. It is an old article though, from 1999 so it is likely outdated. I'll leave it to someone else to decide what to do. GranolaCube (talk) 23:49, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

This Article Is Full of Bias in Favor of Colonizing Arabs and Is Full of Misinformation and Propaganda

This Article Is Full of Bias in Favor of Colonizing Arabs and Is Full of Misinformation and Propaganda And reading this "talk" page shows that this has been drawn to your attention repeatedly for at least 20 years, Wiki. It's the same issue, actually, as in your article about Egypt and native Egyptians--your site would have it that they were always Islamic/Arabic, which is completely and patently untrue as about 6,000 years of documented history--which cannot be eradicated, however hard you try--serves to prove otherwise. This is why I will never donate to Wikipedia, nor will I ever send anyone here for information. Because you allow too much propaganda and factless articles to be published here. I came here to find out where exactly the Sinai (HEBREW name) Peninsula is, and couldn't believe the lies printed here about well-documented history, i.e., wars, etc. Will find a true source for information. Good bye! 2600:6C51:4700:3ABB:28C3:7160:8E73:7A65 (talk) 01:54, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Demographics - add governorates intralinks

Under Sinai_Peninsula#Demographics, it'd be good to intralink the sentence "The two governorates of North and South Sinai" to the two mentioned governorate: North_Sinai_Governorate and South_Sinai_Governorate.

While they're linked earlier in the article under Sinai_Peninsula#Geography, it's a long article and it makes sense for the Demographics section to be self-contained, especially when the second sentence there links to the three other relevant governorates. 77.138.148.116 (talk) 02:08, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done Elli (talk | contribs) 22:05, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Geographic Limits

Saying that Sinai Peninsula borders the Mediterranean Sea on the north is like saying that Balkan Peninsula borders the Baltic Sea on the north. The actual Sinai Peninsula is only the triangle between the Gulf of Suez and the Gulf of Aqaba, AND A LINE CONNECTING THE NORTHERN TIPS OF BOTH GULFS. The area north of this triangle (between said line and the Mediterranean) IS NOT PART OF THE PENINSULA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.237.126.24 (talk) 08:50, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Well no, the whole triangle is considered Sinai. For example, pretty much every source treats the northern coastal city of Arish to be located on the peninsula. Egypt State Information Service [1] goes on to state that it's The most important cities on the Sinai coast on the Mediterranean Sea. No such user (talk) 09:45, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

I was referring to the strictly geographical sense of the term. Of course there is a wider region (and province(s)) named after the Peninsula. 151.237.126.24 (talk) 08:48, 11 February 2024 (UTC)