Talk:Sir George Duckett, 1st Baronet

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Requested move 24 June 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was proposed in this section that Sir George Duckett, 1st Baronet be renamed and moved to George Jackson Duckett.

result:
Not moved per consensus garnered below. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 19:39, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Sir George Duckett, 1st Baronet → George Jackson Duckett – Titles of nobility should be avoided Jax 0677 (talk) 22:00, 24 June 2020 (UTC) —Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 06:40, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relist note: involved editors at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility) have been asked to attend. P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 06:51, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. According to the existing guideline (Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#British nobility) the plain name is normally used however "if the name is ambiguous and the baronetcy is the best disambiguator from other people with that name, use the full style as the article title: Sir John Brunner, 2nd Baronet (with both prefix and postfix); he shares the name John Brunner with his father and several others. " In this case the plain name is George Duckett (we don't use middle names unless widely used in the sources) and that clashes with other titles and, potentially, the 2nd Baronet - see George Duckett. So the present title should stay. Bermicourt (talk) 07:46, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per the point I made at AN/RFC, which discusses WP:NCBRITPEER and has a guideline on these matters. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 15:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Reply - If this is the case, why was Sir George Floyd Duckett, 3rd Baronet moved to George Floyd Duckett? This could be moved to George Duckett (1st Baronet). --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:17, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Jax 0677, George Duckett (1st Baronet) would violate WP:NCBRITPEER, there's a styling for when baronet is included in the article title, and it should never be included without "Sir". The moving of the article you mentioned, of the 3rd baronet, wasn't particularly based on policy or guidelines other than a reference to NCBRITPEER without checking to see if there are other people with the same name, and without checking to see if the guideline cited was met or not. I'd say, per NCBRITPEER, that shouldn't've been moved, but it having been moved (rightly or wrongly) isn't really an argument for this to be moved as well. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 20:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. He adopted the name and arms of Duckett in place of those of Jackson, not in addition. Opera hat (talk) 22:46, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Known as George Duckett, not George Jackson Duckett, and needs disambiguation, so WP:NCPEER #3 clearly applies. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.