Talk:Sir James Outram, 1st Baronet

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British hero Victuallers 12:52, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jamesabad a town in district mirpurkhas sindh is also named after Sir James Outram, but its history is not clear. i also request you to please find out / provide history.

Bayard of India[edit]

I understand that a bayard is a sort of mythical horse, but I don't get why Outram was called "The Bayard of India" or why it should be "poignant" that the phrase was inscribed on his tomb. I think this needs to be explained. CulturalSnow (talk) 14:09, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Simple - it was after the French knightly hero Pierre de Terrail, sieur de Bayard, known as "sans peur et sans reproche".Cloptonson (talk) 10:34, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Death place[edit]

The infobox states his death place as Bromley in Kent. He actually died on holiday in Pau, southern France, as attested by his articles in the DNB and more recent ODNB - but his death could have been registered in the Bromley registration district where the informant lived or had returned (if an accompanying relative), assuming it was not a namesake of identical age and death date. (Note the index to GRO Death Records only mentions names, ages, date deaths.) I will correct the death place information accordingly.Cloptonson (talk) 10:38, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Family origins[edit]

Saul David's 2003 book, The Indian Mutiny, chapter 18, says this:

Lady Canning was not so impressed by the unprepossessing figure who stayed at Government House for five days in early August [1857]. ‘He is a very common looking little dark Jewish bearded man,’ she recorded, ‘with a desponding slow hesitating manner, very unlike descriptions — or rather the idea raised in one’s mind by the old Bombay name the “Bayard of the East” . . . He is not the least my idea of a hero.’

Was this just Lady Canning's general anti-Semitism, or was Outram in fact Jewish? Thomas Peardew (talk) 17:08, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]