Talk:Sir William Lawrence, 1st Baronet

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Portraits[edit]

According to the Royal Society records, an engraved portrait of Lawrence in middle age by C. Turner exists. Macdonald-ross 17:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is also a full-length Maul & Polyblank sepia photograph of him as an elderly man (same source). Macdonald-ross (talk) 21:45, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now uploaded: photographic repro of (probably) oil portrait of Lawrence by C. Turner dated 1839. Macdonald-ross (talk) 16:25, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Three things:

1. Odd, this website shows a very similar painting to the one uploaded, but in colour and with different detailing on the table next to the surgeon: http://livesonline.rcseng.ac.uk/biogs/E000014b.htm - not suggesting we change it, just thought it was of interest!

2. Also I've seen the sepia photograph of him, I'll try to track down a photograph of it.

3. There's a picture of the bust of him here: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pagerender.fcgi?artid=2413773&pageindex=1 - I have no idea what the copyright issues are, though.

Apologies if any of this is deemed irrelevant or inappropriate, just thought it was worth sharing!

Phettyplace (talk) 8:21am, 3 June 2009 —Preceding undated comment added 07:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Going back to the source[edit]

This paper somewhat undermine's Darlington's credibility: Mudford P.G. 1968. William Lawrence and The Natural History of Man. Journal of the History of Ideas 29, 430-436. Here the author claims that Darlington overstated the case for Lawrence as an evolution precursor. Thanks to Rusty Cashman for this ref.

Therefore, I'm taking a good look at the original text of Lawrence as seen in the 1838 reprint by Taylor, London. I will put some findings on the article page, and we will see where it gets to. The references will be to the Lawrence text rather than a secondary source. Macdonald-ross (talk) 12:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge?[edit]

Well, yes. It is the same person!

Merge WL FRS to WL (biologist), keeping the structure of WL (biologist), which is more fully developed (17,000 bytes to 3,121 bytes).

I don't mind which heading is used; FRS is shorter, though a bit unusual (degrees and awards are not usual in headings).

Macdonald-ross (talk) 19:28, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gone ahead and merged some of the contents from the other article into this one. Shyamal (talk) 10:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Influence on Darwin[edit]

If you're going to say "Darwin did not want the ostracism which he knew had come to Lawrence from publishing advanced opinions" then presumably there's some evidence? If so, give a ref; if not leave it out. Macdonald-ross (talk) 17:47, 16 April 2008 (UTC)|Macdonald-ross]] (talk) 19:28, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now reworked and referenced. Macdonald-ross (talk) 06:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]