Talk:Sirenik language

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then someone needs to "interview" this elderly person QUICK!

Gringo300 02:24, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's the truth of the day. It would be a shame if this language would be completely forgotten because the last speaker passes away. Jonas Liljeström 18:15, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

...so is the last speaker dead or not?[edit]

User:Redking7 edited the article to indicate that he is (his only edit in all of Wikipedia). Is this accurate? Yupik language still indicates that there is a living speaker. Either way, one of the articles needs to be updated. -Elmer Clark 23:02, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A standalone branch of …[edit]

of Eskimo-Aleut, or of Eskimo?

“

It is a remnant of a third group of Eskimo-Aleut languages, in addition to Aleut and Eskimo groups

”

Sources like ^[1] and ^[2] (see e.g. the genealogical tree) write a similar statement, but “one node lower” on the tree: Sirenik is a third branch inside the Eskimo (thus, is on the same level as Yupik and Inuit).

If nobody objects, then I shall correct the quoted sentence to the following one:

“

It is a remnant of a third group of Eskimo languages, in addition to Yupik and Inuit groups.

”

Physis 16:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have done the modification, because no objection has come since then, and also two referenced sources

an article in comparative linguistics) ^[3]
and the annotation for a recently published book on Sireniki Eskimo language ^[4]

supports the modification. Physis 02:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename: Sireniki Eskimo (language)[edit]

I could avail a book, describing not only the language, but also folklore (tales). Because this article is about a language, I had to create a new article about people, so that I can write about their tales. The new article is Sireniki Eskimo (people) Of cause, the name I selected can be debated: I simply translated the Russian expression "сиреникские эскимосы" (Sireniki Eskimos), made it singular, added "(people)" remark, and contrasted it with "Sireniki Eskimo (language)" as is is customary in many Wikipedia articles about ethnic groups.

If it is acceptable, I would rename this article "Sireniki Eskimo (language)", and make a reciprocal linking between "Sireniki Eskimo (language)" and Sireniki Eskimo (people), as it is accustomed in many Wikipedia articles about ethnic groups. I admit both new titles may raise debates. As for the "Inuit vs Eskimo" terminology debate, the Sireniki Eskimo language is not an Inuit language: its classification is not settled, either it is classified as Yupik, or it is regarded as a standalone third branch of Eskimo languages. If we accept the second alternative, than usage of highly-debated word "Eskimo" is needed, because there is no other simple common noun existsing over Inuit and Yupik. As far as I know. word "Eskimo" is not pejorative in Russia.

Physis 13:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As for usage of term "Sireniki Eskimo" in the literature, [1][2][3][4][5][6] seem to support it, and, at least partially, also [7] seems to do so.

Physis 22:45, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Menovshchikov 1990: 70 uses both mentioned terms ("Sireniki Eskimos" and "Sireniki Eskimo language"). Now I rename this article to Sireniki Eskimo (language); thus, Sireniki Eskimo disambiguation page points to two articles: Sireniki Eskimo (language) and Sireniki Eskimo (people).

Menovshchikov, Georgy (= Г. А. Меновщиков) (1990). "Contemporary Studies of the Eskimo-Aleut Languages and Dialects: A Progress Report". In Dirmid R. F. Collis (ed.). Arctic Languages. An Awakening. Vendôme: UNESCO. pp. 69–76. ISBN 92-3-102661-5. {{cite book}}: |format= requires |url= (help); External link in |chapterurl= (help); Unknown parameter |chapterurl= ignored (|chapter-url= suggested) (help)

Physis (talk) 04:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (languages) seems to suggest that parantheses are superfluous here. Thus I have just renamed the articles to

Physis (talk) 00:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have renamed Sireniki Eskimo people to Sireniki Eskimos, and replaced the links accordingly. The latter term is present much more in scientific literature. Physis (talk) 01:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notes[edit]

^ Support for Siberian Indigenous Peoples Rights (Поддержка прав коренных народов Сибири) -- see the section on Eskimos
^ Alaska Native Language Center
^ Lawrence Kaplan: Comparative Yupik and Inuit (found on the site of Alaska Native Language Center)
^ Linguist List's description about Nikolai Vakhtin's book: The Old Sirinek Language: Texts, Lexicon, Grammatical Notes

Clean-up[edit]

The language on this page needs serious inspection and clean-up. It's written in a very non-encyclopedic style. Jalwikip (talk) 21:04, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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[ssipr-1] Support for Siberian Indigenous Peoples Rights (Поддержка прав коренных народов Сибири) -- see the section on Eskimos

[anlc-2] Alaska Native Language Center

[complink-3] Lawrence Kaplan: Comparative Yupik and Inuit (found on the site of Alaska Native Language Center)

[Vakh-Sir-4] Linguist List's description about Nikolai Vakhtin's book: The Old Sirinek Language: Texts, Lexicon, Grammatical Notes

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