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On 5 November 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from SkyTrain rolling stock to SkyTrain (Vancouver) rolling stock. The result of the discussion was moved.

The width[edit]

What is the width of the MARK I, II, III series cars? Peter Horn User talk 17:46, 22 August 2016 (UTC) Peter Horn User talk 17:47, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2.65 m (8 ft 83⁄8 in), see Bombardier Innovia Metro Peter Horn User talk 18:55, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

V and DC SkyTrain rolling stock[edit]

@Joeyconnick: Template:Infobox locomotive suggests the following usage V, DC and AC. However Template:Infobox train makes no suggestion. That said, V, DC, and AC are not necessarily generally understood and hence are not that "common". So linking them is not over linking. Peter Horn User talk 18:04, 17 April 2019 (UTC) Peter Horn User talk 18:07, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

They are definitely common terms and well understood. I'm not sure if they are sufficiently well understood to constitute WP:OVERLINKing though. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:11, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Joeyconnick: RE Toronto Subway, Toronto streetcar system and Line 3 Scarborough Walter Görlitz appears to indicate that your objections to the links may just be a bit exaggerated. Peter Horn User talk 00:35, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds to me as if he's unsure. But even if he were sure that it didn't constitute overlinking, that wouldn't be anything approaching a consensus. Again, the guideline specifically mentions common units of measurement and volts and DC/AC are described all over common household appliances, batteries, etc. and they are concepts taught in high school science classes (at least in Canada). There is nothing specialist about basic units of electricity – unlike other things we would link to that are transit-specific like 3rd rail, overhead, etc. —Joeyconnick (talk) 01:12, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have strong support in either direction, but let me try something.

I will add the terms, Volt Direct current V DC, save and run a script that removes links to common terms. It's a fast, third opinion. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:36, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It was run, and the links remained in-place. It seems that script doesn't seem to think they're sufficiently common either. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:38, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Citation needed for the Hyundai Rotem EMU's traction[edit]

I have now added the template {{citation needed}} to let others know that a citation is needed to confirm that the Canada Line Hyundai Rotem EMU uses Mitsubishi IGBT-VVVF, even though I know it's true. I know I can't cite videos, but if you compare the sound of its motor with the one of the JR East E233 series (except E233-3000), it sounds quite similar. Edgar Searle (talk) 02:45, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You have come in here wanting to add a bunch of unsourced material based on "you can hear it" off a video from a non-reliable source. I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding how Wikipedia works: new addition cannot be made off what some random editor thinks they know. Additions need to be from reliable sources that are verifiable. These are basic tenets of how the project works. This info can be added when it can be sourced reliably. In the interim, the article does not suffer from its absence; one might even argue that, for our generalist audience, it's WP:TRIVIA. This is not a railfan site. —Joeyconnick (talk) 15:57, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please search the web for the keywords "hyundai rotem mitsubishi canada line skytrain vancouver", ensuring that it mentions IGBT-VVVF, then check if we can verify and rely on it, as I am not spending 6 hours trying to look for a source for it to be included here. Thank you. Edgar Searle (talk) 23:03, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did and found lots of user videos but nothing we could call a RS. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:05, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Investigation found that the information for this was actually found on a project proposal that the MBTA used for their Red/Orange Line trains through CNR/CRRC. Edgar Searle (talk) 05:06, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why you removed my correct spacing, but I've restored it. Where is the link for said MBTA? http://www.drwingler.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/METRO-1-1.pdf ? It does not mention the Canada Line, only the extension to the Expo line. None of the other links meet the full criteria. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:04, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well according to a comment on that YouTube video I watched about the SkyTrain motors, they had said so. I am currently waiting for the link to it to be revealed before it can be included here. Edgar Searle (talk) 08:15, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now I have found it. It is on page 32, and MELCO is the abbreviation for Mitsubishi Electric Corporation. You can all calm on earth down now. Peace. Later. Edgar Searle (talk) 01:49, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source says "MELCO", with no other details given, so I've adjusted the statement in the article. —Joeyconnick (talk) 15:42, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edgar Searle please revert this edit immediately: you are continuing to edit war and edit disruptively by adding information you are "fairly sure" of. Neither I nor any other editor here needs your permission to revert additions that are blatantly, by your own admission, not sourced and not verifiable; your possibly true anecdotal claims are woefully insufficient for the edits you are making. You are continuing to show you do not understand the basic tenets of how the project works. —Joeyconnick (talk) 03:53, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Joeyconnick that's it. I don't want to talk to you ever again. Go do it yourself and wait until I find another source. If you violate my research which is never at all original, I will no longer leave a message on your talk page; instead your WP account will be reported to the WP headquarters immediately. So please, be careful. Edgar Searle (talk) 03:59, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Joeyconnick Sorry you're right. I was just confused. But please, don't give me these warnings again; I have just left the full apology on your discussion page. Edgar Searle (talk) 05:17, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Preview says that the rolling stock is Narrow Gauge, whereas the main article indicates that they are standard gauge[edit]

I don't know how to edit the preview and fix the narrow gauge mistake, so if someone could help out with that, that'd be cool Neuroglobin (talk) 19:03, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 November 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Polyamorph (talk) 17:18, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SkyTrain rolling stock → SkyTrain (Vancouver) rolling stock – The disambiguation page SkyTrain lists many rail systems across the world with the same name, each which have their own rolling stock. This article is only about the rolling stock for SkyTrain (Vancouver) and its title should be renamed to clarify that. –Dream out loud (talk) 07:59, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - that said, the rolling stock on other SkyTrain systems do not have their own pages, and mainly because they are unified and do not contain enough sources to create their own separate pages. Hence the disambiguation (and hatnotes, if any) are deemed unnecessary at least for the time being. The argument in this proposal is also a red herring. Exp691 (talk) 09:17, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – unneeded as Exp691 states. WP:CONSISTENT specifically states we don't use disambiguation when it's not necessary. —Joeyconnick (talk) 04:10, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support BTS Skytrain#Rolling stock, ATL SkyTrain#Rolling stock, Changi Airport Skytrain#Rolling stock, Soekarno–Hatta Airport Skytrain#Rolling stock, and PHX Sky Train#Rolling stock all exist, and it is perfectly reasonable to create redirects from BTS Skytrain rolling stock, ATL SkyTrain rolling stock, Changi Airport Skytrain rolling stock, Soekarno–Hatta Airport Skytrain rolling stock, and PHX Sky Train rolling stock to those sections respectively. Therefore there is no primary topic of SkyTrain rolling stock, and since we do not discriminate on the basis of article existence, the base page must be a disambiguation page. WP:CONSISTENT cited above is irrelevant because it talks about things like Azerbaijan (country) or Armenia (country) which do have clear primary topics. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:54, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. There is simply no WP:PTOPIC for the term "SkyTrain", which is why the article on the SkyTrain for this set of rolling stock is at SkyTrain (Vancouver). Likewise, there is similarly no WP:PTOPIC for the term "SkyTrain rolling stock"; the term equally refers to the rolling stock of any of the various "SkyTrain"s. The current title of this article fails the criterion of precision—it does not uniquely identify this article's subject to the exclusion of others— and adding parenthetical disambiguation would remedy this issue entirely. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 22:51, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.