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Revision 978244142[edit]

Fountains of Bryn Mawr, if there are any specific concerns regarding revision 978244142, please mention them in this section, so the text can be modified to address these concerns.

Regarding the COVID-19 text: I removed this but note that I didn't add that text. I just placed that text (added by someone else) in a new headline and didn't notice hereby that it used a 2013 paper as a reference.

What's the promotional fluff you refer to ? If anything, I want to make it more obvious in the text that smart cities don't need as much tech as is depicted by tech companies (they tend to focus very much on electric cars, but really, there is a move to use a multitude of transport modes (including bicycles, electric light-weight transport (i.e. electric bicycles, electric kick scooters, electric skateboards and what not as well as walking, ...). The smart city tends to focus on having people use the most efficient and less CO2 emitting transport mode for each trip as well as making it possible to combine multiple modes of transport in a given trip in the most seamless way (i.e. walking and bus, train and bicycle, ...). It still needs a bit of more tweaking, but I already think the text starts to make that a bit more clear, and everything has a reliable source to back it up. User:Genetics4good

"I want to make it more obvious", "Smart mobility is also important to smart cities.", "Bicycle-sharing systems are also important to smart cities.". Other editors have pointed out that fluffy material in the form of WP:ADVOCACY or ADVICE is not encyclopedic. This is also not a place to WP:SOAP about " tech companies". Reliable sources in Wikipedia are secondary source, not the primary source policy papers and academic papers you are interpreting. Those sources are also advocacy on how to build Smart Cities, Wikipedia does not describe how to build things, it describes things that already exist. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 20:23, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm certainly not promoting anything rather the exact opposite. As mentioned earlier, the article still puts too much focus on high-tech, whereas smart cities tend to make a lot of use of low-tech too (such as bicycles, even just walking). Electric cars are mentioned at least twice, and there is the general perception that electric cars are an essential part of smart cities. That is wrong and needs to be made clear. Whereas electric cars do have a role to play, it's a small role and it needs to be viewed in a shared mobility context.

As for reliable sources to be secondary source: other wikipedians seem to prefer academic papers and find them more reliable sources of information (because they're written by experts on the matter, not by news agencies and the like). Also, there is no clear definition on what a smart city is (as there are many definitions of it) and there is no organisation giving a certification for smart cities. So how can you be sure that the example cities listed in this article ("the so-called smart cities that already exist and which the article needs to describe) are truly "smart cities" ? I think the academic papers are better sources to describe the smart city.

Regardless, I'll make changes to the text and we'll keep working on it together.

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the article still puts too much focus on high-tech, whereas smart cities tend to make a lot of use of low-tech too (such as bicycles, even just walking) ... so, you need to cite secondary sources that state that explicitly. And you need to follow WP:TONE. If the sources are saying one thing and you think it should say something else, well, Wikipedia is not the place to right great wrongs.

Wikipedia has clear policy on using primary sources. Since that is established policy it is what wikipedians prefer.

If there is no clear definition on what a smart city is then the article should state "there is no clear definition on what a smart city is" backed up by a reliable source that states "there is no clear definition on what a smart city is". We do not make up our own definition, no matter how well intentioned. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 20:59, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of smart cities[edit]

In Germany a test-city, the 'T-City' Friedrichshafen, exists. Also see de:T-City. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.187.57.48 (talk) 08:06, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In Slovenia, the capitol Ljubljana has recently become the Green Capitol of Europe being an example of a city of the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.161.20.174 (talk) 08:22, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In Singapore the IDA is leading the development of the first smart nation, but to be honest the city-state is of course a smart city. See: http://www.ida.gov.sg/Infocomm-Landscape/Smart-Nation-Vision — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huggi (talk • contribs) 07:34, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The list of flagship cases has been rearranged into alphabetical order for ease of reference, and Manchester's CityVerve project (launched earlier this year) has also been included — Preceding unsigned comment added by WillPritchard (talk • contribs) 15:58, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It seems evident that the 'adoption' section of this list is expanding rapidly; it currently takes up ~40% of the word count of the page. I think the community would be better served by a separate List of Smart Cities page so that the concept and its implementations can stand on their own. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dedelst (talk • contribs) 12:29, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Data Collection[edit]

This section reads like a CS student's term assignment to chart analogies to the OSI model, not sure how appropriate it is for this article or really what to do with it, maybe the entire section should be elided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dedelst (talk • contribs) 13:21, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Implementation of new literature[edit]

Hi all. My name is Theo and I'm a freelance Wikipedia editor and I am currently editing Wikipedia articles on behalf of the University of Virginia's Department of Data Science. This is one of the articles I have been asked to work on.

I have been researching this topic for about a month now and I am now writing up some of my research. I will be building on some of the existing sections of the article whilst also adding some new ones.

I am very open to all comments and please feel free to make changes/call me out on any changes you don't believe are faithful to the topic or the research.

I'm hoping to start properly editing the article soon! Theobrad (talk) 13:39, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]