Talk:Sons of Westwood

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Question?[edit]

Where were these lyrics obtained? They don't match those on UCLA's own web site!

http://www.uclahistoryproject.ucla.edu/Songs/SonsofWestwood.html

Question?[edit]

has the ucla band recorded sons anywhere? --Rocksanddirt 18:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See UCLA Band#Discography. Not sure how to obtain CDs. There are some links on the band site, including a YouTube movie of the band performing the song while moving into the script Ucla. Group29 18:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

excellent! add them to the article? (I didn't check just now). How does wikipedia in general feel about youtube links? I'd think if the there is no copywrite violations, it would be ok? --Rocksanddirt 19:26, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It looks the a proposal for YouTube was discussed and rejected at Wikipedia:External links/YouTube. It would seem that the link is OK as long as the linked material is not a copyright violation. However, some discussions I have seen dislike the linking of YouTube videos from Wikipedia. The issue has not been settled yet. There are videos at YouTube loaded by user "campcopake" (which may or may not be the user ID for Director Gordon Henderson.) They are linked from the uclaband.com site, so I would guess that they are officially sanctioned. The shots appear to be taken from the Rose Bowl press box. I will add this discussion at the project marching band page. Group29 20:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Accuracy of copyright claims[edit]

The page currently says "Finally, on February 18, 1969, UCLA lawyers were told by the Copyright Office of the Library of Congress that "Big C" had never been copyrighted, and therefore was in the public domain."

I see no sources listed for that story, and it seems on the face of it to be impossible to be true due to two different reasons.

a) Works automatically get copyright protection without registration (see http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html ) so the song would not be "public domain".

b) Both UCLA and UC Berkeley are parts of the UC System, which means that both of them are for legal purposes Regents of the University of California so one campus could not sue the other and copyright would be held by the Regents for the entire system, including UC Berkeley and UCLA. (See a discussion of this in the existing Wikipedia page for the Regents linked above.)

I know from personal experience working at UC Berkeley that the campus office of copyright and trademarks very much claims that UC Regents owns and tries to enforce copyright interests in the song, and that any decision to allow or disallow another campus from using a work created on one campus is a purely internal matter for the UC-wide administration at the UC Office of the President, not something that would involve lawsuits or such. But I don't see easy references to that on the web to provide.

Doug1015 (talk) 04:04, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Use elsewhere[edit]

Estancia High School in Costa Mesa uses or used the tune as its fight song, without lyrics and with a different chant. knoodelhed (talk) 09:30, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Based upon my own observation at Band field shows in Southern California, roughly one third of High Schools use the tune as one of their school songs, with a form of the 8 clap.Group29 (talk) 12:47, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Request for deletion: Uphill battle[edit]

There was a bad-faith mass deletion request. As I stated in 2008 on the Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Marching_band#Notability_of_fight_songs section: From a discussion on merging The Victors article into the main University of Michigan article on the Talk:University of Michigan page: As a song, The Victors is notable without even being placed into the category of Fight Songs. It was named in Wikipedia:Centralized_discussion/Fight_songs as an example of a notable fight song. The article itself has a ref from the New York Times. Template:Big Ten fight songs is one of many places that refer to the song and other Big Ten songs directly. The sports articles use a template similar to Template:NCAAFootballSchool where the fight song has its own link. The actual bar of notability in Wikipedia is not set that high should the question arise again. Group29 (talk) 22:16, 12 March 2008 (UTC) Group29 (talk) 13:20, 5 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

New Name: Bruin Warriors[edit]

Someone in the current UCLA Band may have the full story. But it seems that the song has been renamed from Sons of Westwood to Bruin Warriors and given new lyrics naming daughters as well as sons. [1]. The Sons of Westwood name likely came from the Big C lyrics which start with "We are Sons of California." On the True Blue CD released by the band, the track is named Big C (UCLA Fight Song) Group29 (talk) 12:47, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]