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Demographics

The demographical information on this page includes a mix of Decennial and Annual figures. These numbers should be identified as being from one or the other. Also, someone should consider updating the old data with the new.

Economy?

Someone should add more information on the economy of South Dakota. 67.161.208.117 03:48, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC) I know a little bit about econymy it was an ok school that had lots of cool recordsMurlocman 17:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)murlocman

Vandalizing race data

Someone keeps putting in the inaccurate claim that South Dakota is the most heavily Indian state in the contiguous U.S., even though New Mexico and Oklahoma both have a higher percentage of Native Americans in their populations.


I think that that claim is true per capita though. . . I'm not sure though.--12.214.39.203 02:40, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Look at the census bureau's website. New Mexico has more American Indians per capita than SD does. SD has more than Oklahoma, however. --Tonywiki 14:32, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

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History

The history part really needs to be split up into more than one paragaph. Also I think a reference should be made to John Thompson, the first white settler of South Dakota, because he has a real interesting life and he also went on to serve in the South Dakota legislature. Information about him online is scarce, but I have paper records.

++ John Thompson ++ Here is all the information that I, Brad L. Jones, direct descendant of John Thompson currently have on him.

First Family member in the United States. All previous are named in the Norwegian style of last name being of the farm they lived on.

Founded the township of Sverdrup in the Dakota Territory. Built the first log house 12x16 on section 29 in Sverdrup and staked claim.

First Superintendent of Schools for Minnehaha county, appointed by Dakota Territorial Superintendent of Schools, Mr. James S. Foster. Chairman of the town board.

First Chairman of the Board for Minnehaha County Commissioners.

Member of the Territiorial Assembly in 1873-1877 and 1883.

First township assessor for Sverdrup Township.

Civil War Veteran, Grand Army of the Republic, G.A.R.

I found out from Dale Erickson, that John would not tell Kristi the names of the children until the moment of being baptised by the minister. John's sister died on the trip along with his parents. They died of cholera. Sister died in Quebec. John arrived in Dane County Wis. in 1854. John fought in the civil war. He is listed as from Mt. Morris. He was mustered into Co. I 7th Wis. and was discharged April 1 1862 for a disability. He registered again a short time later in Co. H 30th Wis. He was a Corporal and was mustered out on Sept 20th, 1865. After the war he went to Goodhue County, Minn. Took off with John Nelson West. Arrived at Chains Lake near Spirit Lake IA. Arrived June 29 1866 near school for the deaf in what is now Sioux falls, SD.

Homesteaded section 29 Sverdrup township. His Daughter Berthine was the first white child born in Minnehaha County. John and some of his family are buried in the Pioneer cem. near Dell Rapids, South Dakota.

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Dakota Territorial History from 1861 to 1875 On January 4, the county of Minnehaha was organized. John Nelson, John Thompson and William Melville were appointed commissioners, and Edward Broughton register o£ deeds. The commissioners were given power to fill the other offices by appointments.

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http://www.telelaget.com/Telemark%20HTML/TimeLine2f.html 1866, June 4, The first real settlement occurs in Minnehaha County, SD. John Thompson and Jonas Nelsen Fosmo took land near Sioux Falls. By 1870 there were 68 Norwegians in the county. Qualey, Norwegian Settlement in the United States, p. 143. Also see Oien, Minnehaha County's Norwegian Pioneers, p. 10

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Pages 155, 434-436, 209 and 259 of Norwegian Pioneers History of Minnehaha County South Dakota From 1865 to 1895]

Nidaros Congregation...At the yearly congregation's meeting which was held the 28th of October the following joined the congregation: Jens Jensen and wife Margrethe (Flaamoe); John Erickson and wife Beret (Blestervald); Ole Erickson and wife Karen; Peder Gunderson; Gunia Ol's daughter; Paul Larson; Paul Anderson and wife Anne (Riswold); John Paulson; Peder Riswold and wife Guro; Anders P. Riswold and wife Ingeborg; Paul Thompson and wife Ingeborg (Quernmo); Sivert J. Aasen, Martin Gunderson and Anne Langness (Mrs. Jonas Nessan). [From page 155.]


John Erikson Blestervold born the 24th of June, 1824, Meraker Norway, died the 13th of April, 1901. Beret Gunnarsdaughter, born Røberg, the 26th of January, 1820, Østerøien, Meraker, Norway, died the 22nd of October, 1888. They had one daughter Marit (Mrs. Ole O. Gravdahl). Emigrated in 1866, and made the trip on the ship Hvidfaren, and came to Goodhue County, Minnesota, where they lodged with Nils and Ingeborg Krogen. Beret and Ingeborg were sisters. In 1869 they traveled to South Dakota and took Homestead adjoining John Thompson in Sverdrup Township on Section 29, where they resided until 1892, when they sold that to John Thompson and purchased 40 acres in Lyons Township (near the Hilmoe School house), and where the family has since lived. John worked most of the time he was in Goodhue County for Pastor B. J. Muus; who lived near the Holden Church. Therefore he and Jens Flaamoe wove a skin rug for him and had many a cozy chat with the pastor. The daughter Marit took part in the religion school, conducted by teacher Kling. Beret had a stroke in the fall of 1869 which left her paralyzed on the right side and was unable to talk the first year, but she gradually got her speech back so she was barely possible to be understood. It became necessary for her to use crutches and she lived in this manner for 19 years. Marit attended religion school the first year she was here. It was held on Sundays and John Thompson was the only teacher. The school was held in various places among the new settlers and reached as far south as Gundmund Dalemoe, about a mile south from Renner, then John Thompson took the neighbor children along with him. Marit also attended the first English school, which was held in John I. Aasen's log cabin the winter of 1871 and 1872, and which opened the 27th of December, with Ole I. Aasen as teacher.

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BLM Register Issue Date:1/6/1873 N½SE 29/ 103-N 49-W No 5th PM SD Minnehaha Accession/Serial #: SDMTAA 076176 BLM Serial #: SDMTAA 076176

Issue Date:1/6/1873 SWNE 29/ 103-N 49-W No 5th PM SD Minnehaha Accession/Serial #: SDMTAA 076176 BLM Serial #: SDMTAA 076176

Issue Date:1/6/1873 SWSE 29/ 103-N 49-W No 5th PM SD Minnehaha Accession/Serial #: SDMTAA 076176 BLM Serial #: SDMTAA 076176

Issue Date:2/10/1876 W½NW 28/ 103-N 49-W No 5th PM SD Minnehaha Accession/Serial #: SDMTAA 076586 BLM Serial #: SDMTAA 076586

Issue Date:2/10/1876 E½NE 29/ 103-N 49-W No 5th PM SD Minnehaha Accession/Serial #: SDMTAA 076586 BLM Serial #: SDMTAA 076586


Issue Date:11/26/1883 SW 11/ 104-N 48-W No 5th PM SD Minnehaha Accession/Serial #: SDMTAA 071499 BLM Serial #: SDMTAA 071499

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JOHN NELSON’S "INDIAN SCARE." As will be seen from this biography, Mr. Nelson settled in Mapleton during the summer of 1866. At that time his only neighbor was John Thompson, who lived about two miles up the river on his claim. Mr. Nelson had erected his cabin in the woods near the Big Sioux river, where he thought himself safely hidden from the pioneer’s most dreaded foe, the roaming Indian. Everything was quiet for a few months, and no unusual sound disturbed the stillness of the prairie. But one evening during the fall, just about sundown, while he was chopping wood near the cabin, unearthly yells and howls suddenly reached his ears. In shorter time than it takes to tell it, he dropped his ax, ran into the cabin, and gathering up what valuable papers he had, brought his frightened wife and baby out of the cabin and around the bend of the river, where they remained until quite dark. They then crossed a little valley to a small lake surrounded by tall grass in which he hid his wife and child. Having placed them where the thought they would not be discovered, he shouldered his rifle and started for John Thompson’s place. Upon arriving there he was surprised to find the family quietly eating their supper, while he had expected to find them all butchered by the Indians. After having briefly told of the approaching danger, he returned for his wife and child, whom he safely brought to Mr. Thompson’s house. During this trip he heard something moving through the grass near him. He cocked his rifle and quietly awaited the approach of the stealthy steps of what he thought to be an Indian, but fortunately was found to be only a deer. It was temptingly near for a good shot, but for fear of attracting the attention of the Indians he did not fire. The next morning, in company with Mr. Thompson and Ole Gilseth, he went down the river, and nearly opposite his cabin he discovered two Indian tepees. They then got behind a tree and called to the Indians, which seemed to greatly surprise them, and gathering up their belongings, they hastily left the place without further trouble.

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EXPERIENCE OF TWO OF THE EARLY SETTLERS IN THIS COUNTY DURING THEIR WALK FROM REDWOOD, MINNESOTA, TO THE SIOUX VALLEY, IN THE FALL OF 1866. An account of this trip appeared in an issue of the Syd Dakota Ekko in November, 1895, and thinking it would prove interesting to the readers of this work, a translation of the same is given below. Ole O. Gilseth and John J. Aasen, Jr., left Goodhue county, Minnesota, in the fall of 1866, with the intention of joining their friends, John Thompson and John Nelson, who had settled in the Sioux Valley in Dakota during the spring of that year. Ole J. Aasen, who then lived in the vicinity of Kenyon, in the same county, drove them to Faribault. From there they took post horses to St. Peter, where they found a man who was going to Redwood, and drove with him to that place. They then continued their way on foot, each carrying a bundle of clothes and a rifle. Thus far they had put up no provisions for their trip, thinking they would buy some from a family they knew, who lived on a farm some distance from Redwood. But evening came with not a house in sight, and they spent the night on the open prairie. The next morning it was cloudy, the sun could not be seen, and they were unable to tell what direction to follow, but they decided to try and find the farm they had looked for the day before, and which they believed could not be very far off. Early in the afternoon a grove came into view, and thinking this must be the place, they walked briskly on, hopeful of being in plenty time for a good supper. However, the grove was farther away than it at first appeared, and it was not until late in the evening they reached there, only to find, instead of friends and shelter, the dreaded wigwams of an Indian camp, with their still more dreaded occupants. Having the terrible massacre of 1862 in the western part of Minnesota still fresh in their minds, even starvation could not induce them to go near the Indians, but with trembling hearts and careful steps they succeeded in reaching the other side of the grove, without being noticed, and here they spent the night in a large tree. Mr. Gilseth keeping vigilant watch, with his hand on the rifle until the break of dawn, when, thankful for their scalps though starving, they continued their wandering westward. That day they could not even find any water. Towards evening they noticed a storm was approaching, and it being late in the fall and quite cold, they wrapped all their clothes about them and laid down, trying to rest. Soon the storm broke loose. It was a terrible storm of snow and rain, and continued until towards morning, when it cleared up and they could see the sun again. They now took a southwesterly course, thinking they had gone too far north. That evening they reached a few small lakes, the shores of which were frozen, but farther out they discovered a flock of ducks swimming about in the open water. Mr. Gilseth sent a shot into the flock, and two big ducks was his reward. Now, at last, there was to be a feast! Roasted duck! But again they were doomed to disappointment. The storm had wet them through to the skin, and their matches were useless. Consequently, no fire, no steak; and the ducks were eaten raw. After having rested through the night and breakfasted on another piece of duck, they continued their journey. During that day they discovered a wagon track, which they followed, thinking it must lead to some settlement. It was very indistinct, and sometimes even lost, but it was fortunately found again. Towards evening Mr. Aasen became so weak and tired that he told Mr. Gilseth to continue his way alone, but after having slept awhile he felt so much better that they resumed their walk, though they were obliged to leave their bundles of clothes, only carrying their rifles. They walked about that whole night, and in the morning found themselves by a river which they supposed to be the Big Sioux river. But now the question arose whether to follow the river up or down to reach their destination. Finally they decided to follow the river on its course downward. Soon they came to a hay-stack, and thinking that now they must surely find some people, they made a thorough search, but no one could be found. Later they came to a bend in the river, which they forded in order to shorten their way, and following the river the whole day and part of the night finally came across some new-mown hay raked up in small piles, and near by found a wagon box which Mr. Gilseth recognized to be the same that John Thompson had taken with him from Goodhue county. Encouraged by these discoveries they looked around further, and soon found a door to a dug-out on the hillside. Here they knocked, and this time they were not disappointed, as a friendly voice from within bid them enter. Opening the door they found a room occupied by two white men, who, they soon learned, were hunters stopping there while hunting game in the vicinity. This was near where Dell Rapids is now located. The wagon box they had seen proved to belong to Mr. Thompson, the hunters having on their trip from Sioux Falls borrowed the same from him. The starved and tired wanderers were well received; the hunters abandoned their bed in their favor, and slept on the floor, and the following morning drove them down to John Thompson’s, where they received a hearty welcome. And thus ended their perilous journey, and two more sturdy pioneers were added to the young settlement. Mr. Gilseth took up land in Mapleton township, when he gradually improved for a future home. The first three years he only staid on his claim long enough to keep his rights under the homestead law, the other part of his time he worked out. During this time he came to the conclusion that “it is not good for a man to be alone,” and in the spring of 1870, returned to Goodhue county, worked there during the summer, and in the fall, in company with quite a number of new settlers, came back to Minnehaha county. In this company was a Miss Anna P. Moe. Shortly after their arrival the first marriage ceremony in this county was performed by Pastor Christensen; and Ole Gilseth and Anna P. Moe since then have managed the Gilseth farm in unity and concord. Mr. Aasen took up land in sections twenty and twenty-nine in Sverdrup township, there he still resides and has a good, comfortable home.

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http://www.rootsweb.com/~sdsvgs/index75.html Early History of Minnehaha County, Dakota Territory In the summer of 1866, a number of families settled in the county, among whom were John Nelson, John Thompson, Wm. Melvin, Sylvester Delaney, John J. Aasen, Jr., and Ole O. Gilseth. Nelson and Thompson left Goodhue county, Minnesota, with their wives, on June 4. They came across Iowa, and after leaving Spirit Lake saw no white people until they reached Fort Dakota. They took up land about ten miles from the fort, and Thompson is still living where he first settled. Melvin and Delaney took up land in the same vicinity. Melvin soon left for Kansas, but the log house he built is still standing about three-fourths of a mile north of Thompson’s place and is occupied by Ole L. Floren and family. An account of privations and hardships endured by Aasen and Gilseth in reaching Dakota, as translated from an issue of the Syd Dakota Ekko, published in November, 1895, will be found in the chapter of reminiscences. At the next session of the legislature, which convened at Yankton on December 4, 1866, and adjourned January 12, 1867, a memorial to Congress was passed, praying that a road be laid out and established from Elk Point up the Big Sioux Valley to Fort Dakota, and asking an appropriation of ten thousand dollars for that purpose. As all supplies for the fort were transported by teams from Sioux City by way of Elk Point, a road from the latter place to the fort was a necessity. A memorial was also passed asking that the unexpended balance of a previous appropriation amounting to three thousand dollars, be applied to improving and bridging the main traveled road from Sioux Falls to Yankton by way of the upper James river ferry. In 1867, Ole Gunderson, Foster Gunderson, Martin Gunderson, John Johnson, Larson Sweet, J. Larson, Ole J. Arnson and their families settled in the county. During the session of the legislature which begun December 26, 1867, at Yankton and concluded January 10, 1868 an act was passed to reorganize Minnehaha county. John Nelson, John Thompson and William Melvin were appointed county commissioners and Edward Broughton register of deeds

http://65.18.208.129/CivilWar/db/t/tho/009848.html THOMPSON, John WI 7th Inf Co I. Residence: Dane County, Wisconsin. Born "John Guttormsen Kirkeby" on 29 Jun 1841 at Meraker, Norway, son of Guttorm Johnsen and Beret, both of Kringplas, Norway. Came to America in 1854. Civil War: Age 20. Enlisted at outbreak of war in 1861 and served until 1862. Private. Mustered out for disability. Regained his strength and re-enlisted in WI 30th Inf Co H and served until Oct 1865. Married Kirsti Haugen [12 Dec 1845-11 Apr 1918]. Moved to Minnehaha County, South Dakota, in 1866. Eleven children. John died 2 Jul 1913 at age 71 in Sverdrup, South Dakota, of an acute intestinal obstruction. Buried in West Pioneer Nidaros Cemetery in Sverdrup Township, NW lot, block 11, grave 8. Sources: Rootsweb.com. Ragnar Olsen) (SDSA WPA Veterans Cemetery Records, Minnehaha County)

http://www.vesterheim.org/CivilWar/db/t/tho/009850.html THOMPSON, John WI 30th Inf Co H. Residence: Mt. Morris, Waushara County, Wisconsin. Born in Norway. Civil War: Age 21. Farmer. Unmarried. Blue eyes, light hair, fair complexion, 5'8". Enlisted for three years on 21 Aug 1862 at Mt. Morris. Mustered 21 Oct 1862 at Madison, Wisconsin. Corporal. Mustered out 20 Sep 1865. Sources: (SHSW red book vol 35)

http://www.vesterheim.org/CivilWar/db/t/tho/009854.html THOMPSON, John From Meraker, Norway. Civil War: Corporal. In 1907, he was living in Baltic, South Dakota. Sources: (ULVESTAD p265)


Graves Registration: NAME: THOMPSON John Cemetary: W.Nidaros Sverdrup Twp DOB: 6-29-1841 POB: Meraker, Norway DOD: 7-2-1913 POD: Sverdrup Twp COD: IntestinalObstr Father's Name: G. J.Kringles Mother's Name: Beret Wife's Name: ChristineHaugen Entered Service: 1861 Location: WI Discharged: 10-1865 Place: Sverdrup Twp Rank: Private Company Served: I & H 7 WI & 30 WI

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From: RadioGame@aol.com [1] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 5:18 PM To: family@brad-jones.com Subject: Re: [SDMinnehaha] Re: Sverdrup Township?

Hello Brad, I see that you are a direct descendant of John Thompson. My ancestors are the ones who took John in and cared for him after his parents and sister had died during the crossing to America in 1854. My great great uncle Jonas (better known as John) Nelson was John Thompson's very best friend. My great grandfather is Nels Nelson, the youngest brother to Jonas and Iver Nelson. My great great grandfather, Nils Ivarsen (Iverson), the father to Iver, Jonas, Anna and Nels, was the organizer and leader of that very first group to leave Meraker in 1854. I have never found any information on Anna, their sister, other then she came to America with everyone in 1854. Have you found much information on John Thompson between the time he arrived with my ancestors in 1854 Wisconsin, then moving in 1856 to Wanamingo Township, Goodhue County, Minnesota, before he and my great great uncle Jonas came to the Dakota Territory in 1866? I have more information on him and my ancestors, between 1854 and 1866.

Just last spring I finally located living relatives in South Dakota and in early August of last summer, my sister and I drove to Sioux Falls to meet with a number of them. Leland Nelson, one of my many cousins living in Sioux Falls, and the surrounding area, took my sister and I to where old homesteads were located, the churches and of course to the Pioneer's Cemetery where so many of my relatives are buried.

The one place that no one seems to know the where about of is the original location where Jonas had his homestead in Mapleton Township. According to the book "Norwegian Pioneers History of Minnehaha County South Dakota, between 1866 and 1896," the location was a mile south of Morefield, where ever that is. Also at that location is a private cemetery where three of his children are buried, who died of diphtheria between January 4th and January 10th, 1880. The only one having any knowledge of Morefield is my cousin Inez Tidemann, who is 94 and now living in Sioux Falls with her daughter Joann. But, Inez seems to know very little about Jonas. Iver, the oldest of the three boys was her great grandfather. From what I have found, all of my newly discovered cousins are descended from Iver and know nothing of Jonas and his descendants. I believe it was in 1882 that Jonas moved from Minnehaha County to Kingsbury County, very near Badger and Arlington. One of his sons had a place near Lake Norden. Other then that, I haven't found anything of them in Kingsbury County, which is more then any of Iver's living descendants know.

Sincerely, Donald Nelson Laurel, Montana

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History of Renner Lutheran Church Originally called Nidaros Church

(from the 1993 anniversary booklet)


Nidaros 125th Anniversary 1858 - 1993

One in Christ - Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow One hundred and twenty-five years have now passed since the Nidaros Lutheran Congregation was chartered in the sod home of Norwegian immigrants John and Kirsti Thompson on August 12, 1868. In 1866 two Union Soldier veterans, John Thompson and Jonas Nelson, had come to Minnehaha County in Dakota Territory with their families to be the first homesteaders in the county and among the first in the territory. On May 26, 1867 a daughter was born to John and Kirsti Thompson, Berthine Bereline Thompson (Mrs. Thomas H. Fersdahl) - the first white child born in Minnehaha County. When Berthine was baptized on August 11, 1868 in her parents' home, it marked the beginning of the Nidaros Church. (Ironically, eighty-nine years later in 1957, Berthine Fersdahl passed away, and coincidentally the Nidaros Congregation separated; yet it exists today as four churches - Baltic Lutheran, East Nidaros Lutheran, Renner Lutheran, and West Nidaros Lutheran.)

Previous church histories have been written about the Nidaros Congregation - we are thankful for our predecessors' historical legacy. The first history book was published in 1926 in the Norwegian language in preparation for the 60th anniversary of Nidaros in 1928. In 1943, a second history was published in the English language for the Diamond Jubilee - 75th Anniversary. For the Centennial of Nidaros in 1968, yet another history was published. The individual churches have also published their own various histories with anniversaries of the individual sanctuaries.

One may ask why another history needs to be published. There are many valid answers to this question. First, there is a new generation unaware of our common heritage. There are also many new members of the individual congregations who should feel just as close to the ties of this church as the families who have lived here 125 years. We have also found new stories in the old history. (We are grateful for the tireless research and translating of the minutes of the Nidaros Congregation from the Norwegian language completed by John Eide in 1982.) Finally, we want to provide the present and future generations with one consolidated resource that sketches the complete history of Nidaros from 1868 until the present time.

Our intent is not to glorify our pioneer ancestors, for they were only human. Or intent, rather, is only to illustrate how these prairie pioneers and their descendants prioritized the Church of Jesus Christ in their lives. Most of these immigrants worshiped in a frame church structure before they themselves lived in a frame house. The generations that have followed have continued to be faithful in their devotion to Jesus Christ their Lord and their commitment to the church.

To the members of the Nidaros congregations, past, present, and future, we dedicate this history, always remembering our unity in Christian Heritage that has made our four individual churches "One in Christ - Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow."

The Nidaros Quasquicentennial History Committee:

Co-Editors: Joan Eitrheim and Dale Erickson.

Nils Aspaas, Morris Oien, and Donald Prestbo


How Nidaros became Renner The first church sat on the prairie. But winds blew it down due to the 100 foot steeple, so it was rebuilt (with a shorter steeple!) Then, due to flooding of the Sioux River, many could not get to church some Sundays. So "West Nidaros" Lutheran Church was built. Then East Nidaros followed in building as well. The nearby town of Baltic had no church. So in 1911 the church was moved to Baltic. (Flooding was still a problem.) Finally in 1939 the building was moved to Renner, where it still stands today. The other Nidaros churches became independent and liked the Nidaros name, so the Renner folks agreed to rename the church "Renner Lutheran".

Last updated Thursday, June 13, 2002


http://legis.state.sd.us/historical/Index.aspx?FuseAction=Detail&MemberID=3568 John Thompson Gender Birthdate Deathdate Type Remarks 

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Falling Population?

"South Dakota...is feeling the brunt of falling populations." This is not true. Since 1990 the population of has increased by 75,000 (see second sentence in Demographics section.)

This should be clarified. . . The majority of the counties in the state have seen steady population declines for decades. This is not true of all the counties touching the Black Hills, as well as those around Sioux Falls and along the "I-29 Corridor"--12.214.39.203 02:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Religion

Over 8% of the population is Native American. And strangely there is little if any accounting of their religious preferences. I do not think the numbers here are reflective as I believe most of the numbers come from estimations based on church rosters and rolls which are horribly inaccurate.

Many of them do attend Christian churches, although certainly many practice their traditional religion. These, probably, fall into the "other" or "non-religious" categories. Although I'm not positive what the source for the numbers listed in the article is, I do not believe they are "horribly inaccurate." If someone has a suggestion of a better source, they can certainly present it.

Replaced the list with a cited survey. The numbers are a little different, but it is properly sourced, so the list gets trumped. AlexiusHoratius 16:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Hate Crimes

More hate crimes currently happen in Minnehaha County than the states of Mississippi and Arkansas Combined, but yet SD has less diversity than those states by significant numbers.

New Sports section added to updated Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. states format

The Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. states format has been updated to include a new Sports section, that covers collegiate sports, amateur sports, and non-team sports (such as hunting and fishing). Please feel free to add this new heading, and supply information about sports in South Dakota. Please see South_carolina#Sports_in_South_Carolina as an example. NorCalHistory 13:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Struck by the Ree quote

The quote by Struck by the Ree is incorrect and I am going to remove it. Such a quotation does not belong in a work that professes to be an encyclopedia in the first place. Just the facts, please.

Bill23rdpower 17:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)Bill23rdpower

Who is Blake Thomas Farber

Who is this person. If not justified, I am going to remove.

Bill23rdpower 17:34, 8 March 2007 (UTC)Bill23rdpower


removed challenged quotation and names

I removed the challenged quotation and names after posting them for a few days. I removed more than just the posted name. I ran a search on the names and found nothing to connect with South Dakota.

Bill23rdpower 21:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)Bill23rdpower

general cleanup and additions

First, the history section needs obvious expansion into the 20th and 21st centuries. Second, the misc. section should be cleaned up - much of it could be shortened, moved to another section, or removed completely. The 'abortion law' is mentioned in two different places, which is more than it probably needs to be in a general article about the state. Finally, to my mind, the politics section should be a general descrip. of SD's political character, plus a few notable events, not a summary of Sen. Daschle's career. (Those senator tables are a bit large, as well). AlexiusHoratius 05:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


The main map incorrectly identifies South Dakota! (North Dakota is shown instead. And the entry for North Dakota shows South Dakota). I'd correct this, but I don't know how. (Swordsmon 10:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC))

Two names posted for removal

I am posting Randy Lewis and Eric Piatkowski for removal from famous South Dakotans. How are they related to SD?

Bill23rdpower 18:23, 21 March 2007 (UTC)Bill23rdpower

I don't know who Randy Lewis is - but Eric Piatkowski grew up in Rapid City and played high school basketball there prior to his collegiate and professional careers. Tonywiki 01:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't Piatkowski's connection, therefore be mentioned in the article?

Shouldn't Piatkowski's connection, therefore be mentioned in the article? Where would you find the information?

Bill23rdpower 16:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)Bill23rdpower

I don't agree that his connection should necessarily be mentioned in the article. Most of the people on that list are not mentioned elsewhere in the article - the article would have to be far more comprehensive were that to be the case. As for where you can find confirmation: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazine/features/si50/states/south_dakota/greatest/ This is the Sports Illustrated list of 50 greatest South Dakota athletes, and it says that he "was South Dakota's 1989 Mr. Basketball, averaging 25.6 points and 10.3 rebounds at Stevens High."

Tonywiki 07:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Abortion law controversy

This is mentioned twice in the article. I propose to take out this particular reference that appears at the end of the article and leave just one reference to it in the article.


Bill23rdpower 23:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)Bill23rdpower


Removed abortion ban section - mention of the ban still appears under politics section, but that is probably fine. AlexiusHoratius 21:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Introduction

I wrote a new intro since the old one was much too small, especially compared with other states. (Four sentances, one of them about another state) The new one is imperfect, though, so feel free to improve it. AlexiusHoratius 04:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Politics section

Someone seems to have recently shortened this section, which is great, but it is still much longer than any other state's article that I have seen. It seems well-written, just a bit too long. A good example to follow would perhaps be the 'politics' section of Minnesota, which was a featured article. A link to a list of senators (and governors) could be provided, instead of having the tables on the article. AlexiusHoratius 06:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Shortened the politics section for the above mentioned reasons and added some citations. I also created a new Government of South Dakota article from the old section here. Article size isn't really an issue yet (although it is already longer than New York), but there are many sections that need more additions, like education and economy, and these cuts probably would have had to have been made eventually. AlexiusHoratius 06:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Overall...

We still have much work to do, but taking a glance at Pennsylvania, we are getting closer to SD meeting the standards of a 'good article'.

Still to be done-

  • Citations - There is still a ton of unsourced material here - I think at least 20-30 more references are probably needed. Also, please try to make an attempt to format the citations per this, instead of simply sticking a web link into the article. I know this is a pain, though, and I haven't been perfect at it either.
  • Several weak sections
    • Economy and Transportation could use a bit more meat
    • As it is, education is simply a list of collages. We should mention primary and secondary enrollment, state oversight like the Board of Regents, test scores, low teacher pay, and maybe add a link to a separate 'list of collages in SD'
    • Demographics - I don't know about that race chart - it is kind of hard to read, and somehow seems focused on showing hispanic growth vis-a-vis the general population. Also, more should be mentioned about the Indian population, specifically the abysmal conditions for many of those living 'on the rez'.
  • Sports and Recreation section - I was thinking about adding this - We could talk about hunting, fishing, the (from my POV bizarre) popularity of high school sports amongst the general population. This stuff is a bit difficult to cite, so I don't know, other states seem to have it, though.

AlexiusHoratius 21:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I removed the above-mentioned chart. Since I left the comment here up for about five months, without any response, I assume there won't be too many protests.AlexiusHoratius 07:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Regarding the {{US Demographics}} chart, its purpose was to regularize the presentation in all state articles, and to cut down on sneaky vandalism. Gimmetrow 04:17, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
'Sneaky vandalism' is simple enough to counter if one watches the edit history, and most of the better state articles, like Oklahoma and Minnesota, both of which were featured, have removed the chart. I have seen a fair amount of racial statistic vandalism in other articles, so you're right to say it is/was a problem, but as the stats in this article are clearly cited, that should be less of a problem. AlexiusHoratius 01:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Both Minnesota and Oklahoma have separate "Demographics of" articles which use the template. Gimmetrow 00:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh alright...I'll make a daughter article and put the chart on there. I also found a couple more to use for a seperate 'Demographics of SD' article, like the age pyramid thing. Just give me a week or so. (Okla.'s demographics article doesn't use it, by the way, but I'm probably being too picky with this. Having it on a seperate article would be fine with me.) AlexiusHoratius (talk) 20:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
The Demographics of South Dakota, along with 'History of...' and 'Geography of...' have just been created. The demographics template now appears on the seperate demographics article. AlexiusHoratius (talk) 12:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

image

I just added an image I thought was pretty sweet, but I'm also sensitive to what you're trying to accomplish so feel free to get rid of it without any regrets. Gopher backer 00:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Geography

I will probably do some work on this section in the next few weeks. Perhaps we should split the 'regions' section into three paragraphs - East SD, West SD and the Black Hills, as these regions encompass more differences than landscape alone. I may cut down climate a bit, and add metric info to the english units. (I was thinking that simply Rapid City and Aberdeen may work for the climate chart, right now there are four cities, and there isn't much difference between the climate of Sioux Falls and Huron.) Maybe that cloud picture could go as well. It looks good, but it doesn't say that much about the climate, and I'll be adding more images elsewhere in the geo. section. Also, a flora/fauna section may be nice. I found a good source for most of the above information (except climate) from a Northern State site. AlexiusHoratius 03:22, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Duplicate Image

The image Image:South Dakota quarter, reverse side, 2006.jpg is used twice is this article. The Economy section and the Symbols Section. Should it be removed from one, if so which one? Spiesr (talk) 21:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Getting rid of either one would be OK with me, but if I had to pick, I would say the quarter belongs more in the 'Symbols' section than the 'Economy' one. I don't really know what this is supposed to illustrate about the state's economy, other than what the state decided upon as the quarter's design. I could see if the quarter were minted in SD, but it isn't. The main thing that I am trying to avoid is having a situation similar to North Dakota, in which a massive quarter appears in the economy section. AlexiusHoratius (talk) 22:06, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed the smaller Economy section quarter. Go ahead and switch the two if you want, that is, remove the larger one from the Symbols section and put a small one back into the Economy section. Again, though, I would really like to avoid the 200px quarter in the Economy section situation. AlexiusHoratius (talk) 06:19, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Recent edit to religion section

This addition was just made to the religion section of the article, and I'm not really sure how to handle it. I was going to remove it, but thought that as it is sourced and adds information beyond what is already there, it should probably be discussed first. The main problem I have is that it seems to contradict the survey numbers that are already in the article. (The original data have Lutherans having the most members, the recent addition has Catholics as the largest denomination. While I'm aware that this is due to the older addition combining all Lutherans, and the newer one just counting ELCA Lutherans, I fear this may be confusing to some readers.) Also, I think percentages may be more illustrative of a state's religious make-up, and the original information shows nearly all religions present in SD, not just the top three. Basically, what I'm saying is would anyone mind if I removed the newer addition, as it might seem to contradict the older and probably more informative numbers? AlexiusHoratius 09:55, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, the first part is about general religious movements, the second about single denominations. That's two different things, and both is relevant. I think possible confusion is rather the fault of the first section because it doesn't tell you that there are several Lutheran churches in the state. On the homepage of the Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod (LCMS) there is a long explanation in the FAQs about the differences between the ELCA and the LCMS ("It is important that the members of LCMS congregations have a clear picture of why our two churches are not in fellowship.").
I found it interesting that the less doctrinal ELCA has more adherents than the conservative Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod (LCMS) in South Dakota. I expected it to be the contrary.
Finally I understood why the largest church in South Dakota is the Catholic cathedral in Sioux Falls, and no Lutheran church building.
So, I think we should keep the addition. In the end it's pretty short with a lot of additional information. 91.57.32.56 (talk) 21:01, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
How about this - we incorporate the recent addition with the first sentence, qualifying the term 'Lutheran' with the numbers concerning ELCA membership and the other synods. (The part about the largest church is referring to the number of adherents of the organization, not the size of the buildings). AlexiusHoratius 21:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
The problem is just that you also have different Methodist churches (the United Methodist Church is just the most important one in South Dakota - there are many other Methodist churches), different Presbyterian churches, there is the "Southern Baptist Convention", but also the "American Baptist Churches"... It would mean to create a kind of "special law" for Lutheran churches...

I also looked at the highlighted words. You know, if you click on Methodist in the old section you'll get general information about this religious movement. If you click on Methodist in the addition you'll get specific information about the United Methodist Church, its leadership, etc. And I think this is relevant because it's one of most influentional religious organisations in the state. Don't take it too serious what I wrote about the Cathedral in Sioux Falls. I just meant that it is not religious movements that construct buildings or run schools, but single denominations. 91.57.31.24 (talk) 21:54, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I understand what you're saying about the specific church vs. the denomination/sect; some of the entries in the list are denominations, and some (like Lutheranism) are broader sects. I also see how knowing the % of ELCA Lutherans within simply 'Lutherans' is helpful. Give me a day or two, and I'll come up with a way to merge the two, as it stands, my biggest problem is lay-out wise, as in we have a short sentence, a long list and another short sentence. Like I said, I see what you're saying about the new information being helpful as well. AlexiusHoratius 22:16, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
What I don't like about the addition is that it stops at the United Methodist Church. This appears kind of arbitrary to me in the case of South Dakota. Well, you have to stop somewhere because the source covers way too many denominations to include them all in the article about South Dakota. If you look at the source you can see that the LCMS (31,524) comes close behind the UMC (37,280). But the 5th largest denomination in the state, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), has only about 1/3 of the adherents of the LCMS. So, I think we should include the LCMS and stop there. I think it makes more sense for South Dakota. And then the above mentioned contradiction or possible confusion should dissapear because then you can see that there are two important Lutheran denominations in the state. You write, some entries in the first section are denominations. Well, that's only true for the Catholic church because it doesn't belong to any wider movement. I'm curious to see how you will merge the sections. 91.57.31.56 (talk) 22:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
OK, I sort of combined the two sentences into a paragraph and added a bit more information as to why there might at first seem to be a discrepancy. How does it look? AlexiusHoratius 22:58, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
It's okay. I just didn't want to lose the additional information. I'm glad you kept it. I know what you mean with "specific" denomination. Mhm, I don't mind the expression, but it's kind of unusual, kind of saying the same thing twice. It sounds as if Lutheranism was a (kind of, "un-specific") denomination. Maybe you want to have a look at how wikipedia defines "Christian denomination"? Lutheranism, Presbyterianism, etc. are called "branch", "family of denominations", "movement". Denomination is already the specific word - What do you think about including the LCMS? It's not of real importance to me - I'm just wondering. They are so close to each other in number of adherents, the UMC and the LCMS. - I added ELCA and UMC right after the names of the denominations because I'm not sure whether everybody is so familiar with the abbreviations. If you don't like it, just revert it. 91.57.74.2 (talk) 23:54, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I see what you're saying about the 'specific denomination' wording, that was a bit messy I guess. I took a look at the survey with the percentages, and re-worded the section to reflect only what the question was, I think that clears up the trouble with using the term denomination in both places; I've also dropped the word 'specific'. I think this is a bit of an improvement; we make it clear why Catholics are the largest in one mention and not the other, and we've cleared up the original messiness of using the term 'denomination' by only using it once. AlexiusHoratius 01:06, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Elections table getting a bit long

With the addition of the most recent election, the table showing presidential election results now goes back almost 50 years, which is probably a bit too much detail for this article. Does anyone mind if I cut it so that it only goes back to, say, '88 or '84? (The larger table would still appear on the Government of South Dakota article.) AlexiusHoratius 19:08, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, I cut the table so that it now starts at 1984. (Again, the full one going back to 1960 still appears at Government of South Dakota.) AlexiusHoratius 01:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Couple last proposals before GA nom

Although there is still some minor work around the article to be done, I think most of the heavy stuff such as article expansion and sourcing is probably pretty much complete. I think the article is basically ready for a Good article nomination but there are a couple things I wanted to propose here before nominating the article:

1. I don't know that the Famous South Dakotans section is going to work out the way that it is- a massive list of unsourced names with no explanation or context. Also, many of them are either not all that famous or not all that South Dakotan. In the last few rounds of expansion, I've tried to add some of the more famous people to their respective sections, with the result being most of the more famous people are mentioned and described in the body of the article. For instance, Laura Ingalls Wilder is now mentioned in the Culture section, and Tom Brokaw is mentioned in the Media section. Would it be OK if I cut the list and added a link to List of people from South Dakota? I would, of course, make sure that any names currently mentioned here and not mentioned on the List of people from South Dakota article would be added there. I think applicable guidelines here would be WP:Summary Style (no need to replicate a list here that occurs somewhere else) and WP:Embedded lists (it's usually better to spell things out in prose rather than having a large list of names with no context or connection with the article).
2. I'm planning to re-write the Cities section, probably in the style of Oklahoma. Also, a main framework for a South Dakota version of the Oklahoma section appears near the bottom of the Geography of South Dakota article. It doesn't have to be a mirror image of what is on Geo. of SD, of course. We could probably expand a few things and add a few towns to it...I'm just saying that that's kind of the idea I'm working with. Size should probably be the basis for inclusion here, I think, as a bunch of statements like 'Wall is where Wall Drug is' or 'De Smet was home to Laura Ingalls Wilder' are difficult to organize when writing out paragraphs. AlexiusHoratius 13:59, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
OK, I went ahead and did what I proposed above, and have now nominated the article for GA. I removed the list of famous people after adding names from here to List of people from South Dakota that weren't already there and I added a link to the list under the see also section. (I know that we should seek to limit the see also additions, and I'm very appreciative of Buaidh's efforts in this area, but I really didn't know where else to put the link to the list.) I also replaced the bulleted cities list with a few paragraphs taken from Geography of South Dakota. This section could probably be improved if someone wants to work on it, for now I just wanted to replace that bullet point list. AlexiusHoratius 08:54, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Well List of people from South Dakota is linked to in the South Dakota template at the bottom of the page so if you want to take it out of see also you could maybe just go with the link in the template as the only link. Spiesr (talk) 21:14, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
OK, I just went ahead and deleted the 'See also' link; I had forgotten about the template. I suppose it wouldn't be too difficult to add it back, if someone really wants to, but for now the single link to South Dakota-related topics looks a lot cleaner. AlexiusHoratius 15:19, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Armed forces

The government section lists the powers of the governor. It mentions armed forces. To foreigners, this may seem confusing. There is a B-2 photo. But then no mention of armed forces. They may become confused that there are federal troops and state national guard (of whom the governmor controlls the later). Perhaps a sentence about the state armed forces is useful for the article??? Chergles (talk) 22:18, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I went ahead and changed 'state's armed forces' to 'South Dakota National Guard', along with an internal link for the latter. Although the original wording is the one used in the state constitution, I agree that it could be confusing. AlexiusHoratius 02:28, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

License plate and other things?

Consider finding and then putting an image of a license plate in the article. Could be done under state symbols or the text where it says that the number indicates the county. Just a suggestion, not a big point. Chergles (talk) 16:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

There isn't any mention of manufacturing. On the other hand, articles don't say "Rwanda doesn't make cars, boats, or computers". Chergles (talk) 16:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

(Sorry for the late reply) On the license plate, although I vaguely remember seeing one on Wikipedia when I first started edited a couple years ago, I can't find it anymore (I checked Commons as well, without luck). If someone is able to find or upload an image, I wouldn't at all be opposed to adding it to the symbols section.
On the missing manufacturing information, I'm somewhat unsure of how to handle it...I can think of a couple somewhat important east river companies like Raven and Daktronics, but even these are a bit limited in economic impact as far as the state's economy on the whole; they could certainly be mentioned on an Economy of South Dakota article, or on articles for the associated cities, but these might be a bit too limited in scope to mention here. General manufacturing statistics could, on the other hand, certainly be added, if someone is able to dig them up. I think you touched on a key point in your Rwanda example - there just has never really been much of a manufacturing sector in the state. AlexiusHoratius 09:20, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Intro

Why no population in the intro? Virtually every area in the country, whether townships or states, has either the 2000 census population or a more recent estimated population in the intro, or both. I would add it, but I'm hesitant to work with a GA-class article that I don't really know. Nyttend (talk) 15:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I added a brief sentence about the 2008 estimate, as it matches the infobox information. I'm actually looking to expand the intro a bit more; given the article's size, I think we could go with four paragraphs instead of the current three. I was thinking of adding a short history-themed paragraph or something like that, along with some other slight additions to things like geography, if anyone wants to help with that. AlexiusHoratius 18:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

'Official Language'

...should be left as 'English (de facto)' since 'common' is NOT a legal way to phrase this.63.118.154.72 (talk) 16:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Apparently it is a legal way to phrase this, as it is how the law is worded. I don't know why they chose that wording, but they did. We now have a reference to it being simply the 'de facto' language that mandates all business of government must take place in English. To me, that goes a lot closer to 'official language' than 'de facto'. My problem with it is that having such a law sort of takes it out of the 'de facto' situation most other states are in, where there is no law whatsoever. This isn't that big of a deal for me, but again, it seems silly to have a citation for it being the 'de facto' language when the law says what it does. AlexiusHoratius 17:43, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Actually, since there is no acceptable middle ground, it seems, and since the law mandates all government business takes place in English, that takes it a lot closer to "official language" than "de facto language". Every definition of "official language" I've seen specifically says it is the language legally conducted by the government. So, I've removed the 'de facto' part as well as the 'common language' part. AlexiusHoratius 17:56, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Controversial issues

I have ran into some controversy concerning South Dakota and related articles. I listed some of these at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject South Dakota#Controversial issues and made mention on some related articles. This is a nice article (hence the "Good article" classification) so would someone look at these issues and see if some mention should be in the article. There seems to be 272 abandoned uranium mines (AUMs) in South Dakota. Some or all are subjects of controversy. I have not yet done much studying (just looking at references) but if there is or was signs posted stating:
Related:
I am not (or have not been) an environmental activist but do love the wilderness. When I read information such as;
  • "In northwestern South Dakota, for example, the Cave Hills area is managed by the US Forest Service. The area currently contains 89 abandoned open-pit uranium mines. Studies show that one mine alone has 1400 mR/hr of exposed radiation, a level of radiation that is 120,000 times higher than normal background of 100 mR/yr. There are no warning signs posted for the general public anywhere near this site! It is estimated that more than 1,000 open-pit uranium mines and prospects can be found in the four state region from a map developed by the US Forest Service." (Ref:)
I have to wonder, is this for real? Is Radium-226 that exceed the drinking water standard a serious problem? We know there are problems because the federal government acknowledges the fact including South Dakota (EPA). Not only is Radium a serious issue but as it decays Radon becomes a more serious air-born problem. The article states that cleanup is hampered because of a lack of funding. Either this is not a very serious problem or priorities are really mixed up.
Radon may (debatable) cause birth defects and can naturally seep from the ground but certainly if disturbed say through "in situ drilling". I do think there should be some mention of this. Otr500 (talk) 15:18, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

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The South Dakota Highway Patrol should have a place within the article. Avernarius (talk) 09:28, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

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